MicShazam

I love Kubrick but that movie is not very good. I mean, there's some amazing technical achievements, but the story doesn't make much sense when separated from the book. It should make sense on its own, otherwise, how can you call it a good movie? Basically, everything from when the crazy light show starts is empty symbolism which can mean whatever you want it to mean. Every analysis I've read indicates as much. If symbolism means whatever you, yourself bring to the table, then it doesn't mean anything. The movie is hollow in my totally-not-unpopular opinion.

Don't talk about the book. The movie either stands on its own, or it falls.

EDIT: I liked the second movie quite a bit though and I'm a fan of Kubrick, so don't call me a philistine

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The book kind of has nothing to do with the film. Kubrick started the project with Clarke initially, but they eventually wrote their film and book pieces separately adding in their own meanings to the story. So.... It's still a pretentious piece of ****.

MicShazam

Yeah well, that just makes the best defences I've read of the movie considerable less persuasive, since they all lean heavily on the book to justify meaningful interpretations.

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Exactly! That's why people hated the movie when it first came out. They didn't have a book lying to them about the films meaning.

The movie tries to hard to tell have deep [insert big pretentious word] meaning, but ends up looking like a film that takes symbolism to its most horrible extreme.

Key

So like, is hot wax up the butt a good thing or no?

MicShazam

I watch plenty of movies that some people would call pretentious, but I do have a problem with movies that seem downright postmodern in their refusal to speak to the rational mind. 2001 is the Jackson Pollock of sci-fi movies.

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There's nothing wrong with watching pretentious films. Usually I love Kubrick. But i just can't stand 2001. Let's say I did read the book, and found a new appreciation for the film. It doesn't change the fact that it's boring and in a nearly three hour movie it's people just standing around talking. And even that would be fine, except almost all the talking is about incredibly boring ****! My rant is over. I'm not posting about the film.

What other pretentious films do you like?

Key

Yeah but, what about that one scene in that one movie? Also where the **** did my quote of my post come from.

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It's in my sig. Quote from qwertyy.

Key

No I know that. It showed up in my post unannounced like a little bitch.