Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire) The Fantasy Thread

[TheBig3]

So you like that they changed it for Cersei, but not Tywin. Does your sexism know no bounds?

[Sansa Stark]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

So you like that they changed it for Cersei, but not Tywin. Does your sexism know no bounds?

piss off Brennan

It just doesn't seem so in character with Tywin, Cersei isn't humanised to the point where you're like WTF, f. ex, in s2 he tells Arya in Grandpappy mode that she reminds him of his daughter....yet in s3 he insults Cersei to her face when she talks about being his actual heir, so clearly he doesn't hold his daughter in very high regard

Cersei's changes werent that huge

but that being said, I hate the changes to Shae's character that they're making. Cersei's make more sense to me.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Hermione

piss off Brennan

It just doesn't seem so in character with Tywin, Cersei isn't humanised to the point where you're like WTF, f. ex, in s2 he tells Arya in Grandpappy mode that she reminds him of his daughter....yet in s3 he insults Cersei to her face when she talks about being his actual heir, so clearly he doesn't hold his daughter in very high regard

Cersei's changes werent that huge

but that being said, I hate the changes to Shae's character that they're making. Cersei's make more sense to me.

I think thats a misread of the character.

Spoiler for Rather than figure out if I've said too much...:

Well having read the books after seeing the show, I might be more forgiving in what I read (i.e. I don't see Tywin as that emotionless) but if he is then he's a poorly developed character.

We had a good guys v. bad guys narrative for children, in the real world, morality is a lot more grey. And Tywin needs a motivating factor for what he does. And in 90% of the cases its garnering respect for the family name.

And he insults Tyrion for being the heir to Casterly Rock, not Cersei. He rebukes Cersei for allowing Joffrey to "ride ruffshod over you and everyone else in this city." In both cases he doesn't hate his children, he just feels like they need to be reminded that when he dies, their BS isn't going to fly and the family will die off. Where I am in the books currently, I don't know if he knows Joffrey is born of incest (though given his disposition, I don't know if that would slip by him).

I think the main thrust of Tywin is attempting to gain and maintain power. That doesn't mean he didn't like Cersei when she was a child and had her bold opinions, but in the middle of a war, with her allowing Ned Starke's head to be removed, with Jamie being captured, and with Tyrion mucking it up with whores, he can't be soft.

[Circe]

I think Tywin's line to Arya was him implying that she reminds him of Cersei at that age, back before the two grew distant for whatever reason. He's certainly not emotionless though. Just look at his relationship with his wife.

[Alfred]

I started watching this show two weeks ago, and have been going through it way too quickly. I just watched the penultimate episode of the third season (which was, unfortunately, semi-spoiled for me before I started watching the show). But that was pretty crazy. About to watch the finale.

Favourite characters are Jon Snow, Brienne, Jaime Lannister, Ygritte, Varys, and Arya.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Alfred

I started watching this show two weeks ago, and have been going through it way too quickly. I just watched the penultimate episode of the third season (which was, unfortunately, semi-spoiled for me before I started watching the show). But that was pretty crazy. About to watch the finale.

Favourite characters are Jon Snow, Brienne, Jaime Lannister, Ygritte, Varys, and Arya.

You purposely watched S3E9 or wandered through the room and tripped over it? Its a spoiler in more ways than just plot, nothing to date on the show matches that, and honestly, on all of television.

[Sansa Stark]

I spoiled myself on the Red Wedding too before I started reading the books, I wasn't really that disappointed although to me reading the Red Wedding was sadder than the actual show.

Daenerys taking over Astapor was a lot cooler in the show though, honestly I think Emilia's acting is better when she's speaking Valyrian, lol

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Hermione

I spoiled myself on the Red Wedding too before I started reading the books, I wasn't really that disappointed although to me reading the Red Wedding was sadder than the actual show.

Daenerys taking over Astapor was a lot cooler in the show though, honestly I think Emilia's acting is better when she's speaking Valyrian, lol

Really? I thought the reading of the RW was tame by comparison. I think the show sets the tone a bit more harshly by:

Spoiler for Why is the show more harsh?:

1. Killing Talisa first, and brutally (and essentially a second Ned Stark dying)

2. Having Bolton do the stabbing

3. Having Frey disregard his wife, rather than a halfwit son everyone mocks.

[Sansa Stark]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

Really? I thought the reading of the RW was tame by comparison. I think the show sets the tone a bit more harshly by:

Spoiler for Why is the show more harsh?:

1. Killing Talisa first, and brutally (and essentially a second Ned Stark dying)

2. Having Bolton do the stabbing

3. Having Frey disregard his wife, rather than a halfwit son everyone mocks.

Oh it was more violent, but I mean to me it was more heartbreaking bc I had no attachment to Robb and Talisa because Robb is so much different in the show, but I don't feel like he was a second Ned Stark dying, it was Catelyn's death that hit me the most because she had warned Robb about Walder Frey's ****ery and essentially was right about everything else but Robb didn't listen to her, especially in the show it was bad, but this was the worst part

Spoiler for Red Wedding:

"Ser Ryman and Black Walder were circling round her back, but Catelyn did not care. They could do as they wished with her; imprison her, rape her, kill her, it made no matter. She had lived too long, and Ned was waiting."

It was heartbreaking, that all she cared about was saving what she thought of as her last son. She was so underutilised as a character and I hate that because I think she was really wonderful as a character, she was Cersei's antithesis, but she was still tough and smart, but in the show they make her out to be something awful just because she didn't like Jon Snow. Everything ****ing revolved around Jon Snow and that was annoying

[Alfred]

Originally Posted by TheBig3

You purposely watched S3E9 or wandered through the room and tripped over it? Its a spoiler in more ways than just plot, nothing to date on the show matches that, and honestly, on all of television.

No, the discussion after the episode aired was hard to ignore and some people in certain parts of the web really enjoy ruining surprises.

That being said, the way in which it was executed caught me off guard, and it was still pretty devastating.