The Gaming Industry

DwnWthVwls · 05-21-2014, 12:33 AM

Mindless grinding sucks. It's the challenge I'm searching for.

I like games where when you die it actually impacts you.. Dark Souls, Minecraft, and my all time favorite game, Ultima Online:

You can kill people, take all their ****, steal their house keys and all their belongings. Stealing is a real skill, you can open their bags and steal their items. <3 Griefing griefers. I've never been all that interested in ruining other peoples gaming experience but I love it when people try to ruin mine. It provides a unique experience that computer AI is still not close to offering.

Even things like the initial release of WoW made me happy. I was a hardcore raider and part of a very small group of people who actually got to experience all the content because of my hard work/skill. Now all you have to do is hit max level and they practically throw gear at you. Boring.

djchameleon · 05-21-2014, 12:40 AM

I don't care about perma deaths and those other things you mention but I understand it and there are a few survival type games that are coming out with similar features. Hell even in GTA online when you die your money gets taken that's why it is good to leave a large majority of it in a bank through depositing in the ATM. The game I am thinking of is that Zombie Sim game and all the clones that are being made similar to it. Can't think of the name right now.

WoW still has that challenge component but it is different. Sure everyone gets to raid now where they didn't before and it was grindy as hell farming stupid mats for resist gear. You keep saying it isn't the grinding you like but everything you mention leads back to it and you feeling like that makes things more difficult.

Heroic gear in WoW is not just thrown at you.

DwnWthVwls · 05-21-2014, 12:58 AM

Okay good so you know WoW.. Heh, and yeh grinding for resist gear was god awful. I'm talking fights like the 4 Horsemen and C'thun where most guilds at the time were just too ****ty at playing their characters to actually beat those fights.

Wow is the grindiest game I ever played. I didn't make it past level 30 in Lineage II and I quit EQ after a month. I just want over the top challenging PvE where you make 1 wrong move and the raid wipes. I haven't played WoW actively since the first expansion, I reactivate and check things out every once in a while and have one 90. I joined a PUG raid and healed an instance in heroic blues that I never did before. That is just not appealing. The PvP is still good but I'd much rather world PvP than arena and there hasn't been much fun in that since Tarren Mill raids.

I wish I could explain UO to you without writing a novel.

I believe your are talking about DayZ? or maybe Rust? There is also a seemingly cool arcade game, Don't Starve. I've never played any of these though.

Black Francis · 05-21-2014, 01:01 AM

Speaking of mindless grinding and GTA

GTA has alot of mindless grinding.
you have to keep doing the same missions over and over again and it becomes repetitive and if not that you're basically trolling other players on the streets and that's it, that's all GTA online is.

And in order to not be trolled you need to grind, any game that has a LvL up reward system should encourage grinding, not to mention grinding necessarily have to be about trying to LvL up a character, it could be buying equipment or just repeating a hard stage until you pass it, which btw wouldn't happen if you could raise your stats, so really why are ppl against grinding? it all depends how much you commit to it, if you don't wanna grind put the game on easy and half ass your way through.

djchameleon · 05-21-2014, 01:06 AM

I know of UO but never played it personally. They try to inject forced areas of world PvP but whole I used to find it fun it is more about just getting ganked/jumped by the other faction. It isn't really all that fun nowadays. There is a new quest area called timeless isle where you can even world PvP with people of the same faction as yourself. I think you'd like that aspect. They made it similar to that one blood elf quest isle that loads of people used to world PvP on, the one near Sun well. I do remember the TM days and the epic battles but those went away pretty much when BGs opened up. I never got into arenas myself but I love BGs.

They currently have a stupidly hard boss in the current tier where if the raid isn't on point they will all die because of a stupid maze mechanic. They have bosses that are similar to 4 horsemen in that manner. Especially with the harder difficulty of Heroic raiding which you need your guild for. The difficulty is still around in WoW. I still play but pretty casually.

DwnWthVwls · 05-21-2014, 01:15 AM

I'll be reactivating for the expansion maybe I'll enjoy it again. Thanks for the info. I don't have the time to dedicate to guild raiding anymore. If I did I might not be bashing the game so much, heh.

Do you play any League of Legends?

djchameleon · 05-21-2014, 01:21 AM

Nope. I haven't gotten into Mobas.

How is it? I don't really understand how those type of games work. You pick a champion then what?

DwnWthVwls · 05-21-2014, 01:42 AM

Much love. It fulfills all my PvP needs. When you explain it it sounds kind of boring but if you give it a shot its soo much fun. It took my brother a month to finally get me to play cause it sounded blah to me but after 3 games I was hooked.

There are a few different game types but the most popular and what Pro players compete on is a 5v5 map consisting of 3 lanes and a base on either side of the map for each team.

To make it short every 30 seconds 3 waves of minions leave each base each heading down a seperate lane(top, mid, and bottom) where they eventually clash. Each lane also has 3 rows of towers which will shoot minions or enemy players if they get to close. The object of the game is to push the other team all the way back into their base and destroy their "Nexus" building (the win condition).

The laning phase usually lasts about 10-15 minutes of where you try and kill enemy minions to acquire gold/exp and buy item upgrades and also kill the enemy's tower and them for extra gold. Each new game you start the champion you select starts at level 1(max level is 18) and as the game progresses each time you level you can put a skill point into 1 of four skills. Each champion has 4 skills and a passive they can use which may not sound like a lot but believe me the PvP does not get stale at all. League has ~120 champions all with unique skills and play styles which keeps things very entertaining, and they have new content coming out all the time.

After laning phase ends there are a few different strategies but the rest of the game is based on strategic maneuvering to take down towers, creating optimal team fights, and picking off lonely enemies.

There are a few other aspects but this is a very basic idea of how the game works. Also, it's completely free and they rotate which 7 characters you can play for free every week. You can also permanently unlock champions with gold earned in game.

Edit: There is also a map that is similar to Arathi Basin where you just capture and hold nodes, which is all out PvP and little strategy. I play that one and 5v5 the most.

djchameleon · 05-21-2014, 02:03 AM

Hmm I may try it out one day and yes in my previous post I was trying to think of Day Z.

Also I am all about AB. I love that BG.

Mr. Charlie · 05-25-2014, 01:32 PM

My common gripe with many modern games is their emphasis on delivering strong narrative, story and graphics above good gameplay, so much so I get the feeling some developers would be better off making movies instead of videogames. Personally, the enjoyment I get from a game comes from actually playing it, not from watching a pretty cutscene, or hearing some excellent voice acting - that sh*t's dull.

05-21-2014, 01:01 AM	#84 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	Speaking of mindless grinding and GTA GTA has alot of mindless grinding. you have to keep doing the same missions over and over again and it becomes repetitive and if not that you're basically trolling other players on the streets and that's it, that's all GTA online is. And in order to not be trolled you need to grind, any game that has a LvL up reward system should encourage grinding, not to mention grinding necessarily have to be about trying to LvL up a character, it could be buying equipment or just repeating a hard stage until you pass it, which btw wouldn't happen if you could raise your stats, so really why are ppl against grinding? it all depends how much you commit to it, if you don't wanna grind put the game on easy and half ass your way through. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

05-25-2014, 01:32 PM	#90 (permalink)
Mr. Charlie Shoo Thoughts Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: These Mountains Posts: 2,308	My common gripe with many modern games is their emphasis on delivering strong narrative, story and graphics above good gameplay, so much so I get the feeling some developers would be better off making movies instead of videogames. Personally, the enjoyment I get from a game comes from actually playing it, not from watching a pretty cutscene, or hearing some excellent voice acting - that sh*t's dull.