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Old 09-23-2013, 04:00 PM   #191 (permalink)
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I think it's more of a cultural artifact than truly classic album (well it did spawn some of the biggest singles of its era), i feel this way about Sgt. Peppers as well, it may have been more inventive in its time (as perhaps Nevermind is considered now) but in terms of its greatness now, it's solid, but doesn't enthrall me even as much as other Beatles releases. But because it came at the peak of psychedelia and hippies and musical experimentation, it's hailed as a revolutionary piece of art or something (even though Pipers at the Gates of Dawn did trippy music way trippier in the same year imo).
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:12 AM   #192 (permalink)
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Title: Nevermind
Artiste: Nirvana
Year: 1991

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I mean, I read that it's been included in the Library of Congress as a "culturally significant or historical recording", for ****'s sake! Was "Number of the Beast", "No sleep till Hammersmith", "Selling England by the pound" or even "Thriller" put in there? What is wrong with the world?
I disagree with you about Nevermind but I don't really care to discuss that.

Just wanted to point out that you are talking about the National Recording Registry of the Library of Congress, governed by the National Recording Preservation Board. As in it preserves culturally significant recordings that "are culturally, historically, or aesthetically important, and/or inform or reflect life in the United States."

And, yes, Thriller was added in 2007. They currently add 25 recordings annually. You can see the entire list on the Wikipedia page I linked.
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Old 09-24-2013, 12:45 PM   #193 (permalink)
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Where were you and what were you listening to in 1991? Because I remember that was the first time that I'd heard of them and I remember just how unique they were, and the energy and focus that they had as well.
1991? Let's see. I was ten years working, would have been 28, so more than likely listening to prog and some metal. Thing is, back then I wasn't too deep into the net and more to the point torrents, websites like allofmp3.com weren't around yet and so I bought my CDs, and bought what I liked. I had been a big record collector in my earlier youth but when it came to CDs I just bought new albums I wanted, and they weren't all that often. I remember for many months, years even I subsisted off my, at the time, about 200-CD collection and played many albums to bits. I didn't go off looking for new bands, I just waited till my favourite artistes released new albums. I hated SLTS the first time I heard it, and every other time, and still do. So why would I buy an album, waste fifteen pounds ninety-nine on a CD I would not want?

Essentially, at that time, I stuck to what I knew.
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To be fair it's the perfect example of what a "culturally significant and historical recording" should be, for the impact that it had on a generation and it's rather similar to what the Who's My Generation and the Sex Pistols Never Mind the Bollocks had on previous generations.
I still think it was overhyped. Maybe it caught the zeitgeist or whatever, but it did nothing for me. I do not feel, after listening to it, that I've been missing out.
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I'm not sure why you've mentioned No Sleep till Hammersmith as this is a live album at a time when nearly all the best live bands were putting out great live albums anyway and it's just one of many at that time. The others could all be candidates but Number of the Beast for such an important album is actually quite disjointed, Thriller was what was expected and Selling England By the Pound came out at the height of prog, point being that all these albums with the exception of Iron Maiden were nothing new and overly surprising to the listener.
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Also I've no idea why you've mentioned Boston in this context either or are you referring to Brad Delp here?
Yes, I was. I was trying to make the point that IF Nevermind was so successful in latter years based off the fact that KC topped himself, why then did people not feel the same about Boston's debut?
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Just think of them as the Beatles, Black Sabbath and the Pixies all chucked in a liquidizer and you might actually enjoy them a lot more.
Ah, no thanks. I don't for a minute think that's anything like a fair representation of their sound, which to me is nothing special. In fact, I won't be thinking of them at all.

See, this is what I meant when I asked at the OP for people not to start shouting at me saying "How can you not like that? It's a classic!" Eye of the beholder, man. Or ear, in this case. Takes all kinds.
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:07 PM   #194 (permalink)
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It's not even that I wasn't into it. Given a few more listens I might like it and I don't hate it. But I do not see that it deserves or earns the messianic adoration people have given it. I mean, it's no "Dark side of the moon", "Zep IV" or "In rock" now is it? But as you say, it's all preference and while I wouldn't dismiss it as a bad album I would certainly not consider it what I would call a classic.

But then, what do I know?

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One song I wasn't really into until the volume got turned down was "On a Plain." The Unplugged version is wonderful. The entire Unplugged album actually has a very particular song about it. Ahem, in any case...some other classics I will direct you towards for the future...

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Magik
Queen - Innuendo

And, if it can be considered a classic,
The Killers - Hot Fuss
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I still think it was overhyped. Maybe it caught the zeitgeist or whatever, but it did nothing for me. I do not feel, after listening to it, that I've been missing out.
See you weren't experiencing life in the US when the album was release that's the reason you are missing out on how it affects people culturally and was a reflection of life during that period of time.

Of course it's going to be over hyped to you being across the pond.
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See you weren't experiencing life in the US when the album was release that's the reason you are missing out on how it affects people culturally and was a reflection of life during that period of time.

Of course it's going to be over hyped to you being across the pond.
Yeah good point. I suppose it would be the same with the likes of say Oasis over here, though I never liked them. Or even the NWOBHM.

Powers, "Innuendo" a classic album? I don't think so. I like Queen but there are far more classic albums of theirs I would consider before that late-era example...

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Old 09-25-2013, 01:54 PM   #197 (permalink)
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I actually agree with you on your review of Nevermind. I find Bleach far more enjoyable.
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Yeah good point. I suppose it would be the same with the likes of say Oasis over here, though I never liked them. Or even the NWOBHM.

Powers, "Innuendo" a classic album? I don't think so. I like Queen but there are far more classic albums of theirs I would consider before that late-era example...

Engine, even if you disagree with everything I say, I know you stay well away from the journals as a rule, so I'm honoured you graced my little journal with your presence.
Well hey, I thought you might have heard the ones more widly considered classics, and I really do enjoy Innuendo.
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I actually agree with you on your review of Nevermind. I find Bleach far more enjoyable.

This is my position exactly. Bleach has all the grit and immediacy that was glossed out with the David Geffen polish of Nevermind.


Having said that, everything changed after Nevermind came out. Hair Metal all but died. I'll give credit where credit's due, even though I don't ever intend to listen to Nevermind again.
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