VEGANGELICA

Mr. Urban, I think you are mistranslating. Lady Gaga seems to have very strong convictions to me...and she certainly has guts...well, flesh...coming out of every pore practically.

I think Gaga just wanted to tell vegans/vegetarians that she didn't mean to make them feel bad, but not because she worried anyone would stop buying her albums due to her meat outfit.

Few musicians (except vegetarian ones) would ever need to worry about reduced record sales due to offending vegans and ovo-lacto vegetarians, since we make up a very tiny part, only around 4%, of the population in the U.S....and vegans such as myself are probably only around a tenth of that number. Alas, our sinister plot to take over the world is progressing slowly.

And as for the general omnivorous public, I see no reason for them to be offended by Lady Gaga's outfits since, as Goblin Tears says, wearing meat is...

Lady Gaga's outfit is just a little, er, fresher than the leather jackets and pants and shoes and furs that many people wear all the time. Well, not the leather pants, maybe. Those are pretty darn fresh. So I don't see any reason she would feel the need to be defensive about her decision to wear meat or fear plunging record sales as a result.

See, here's Rihanna in a black leather catwoman outfit. All that's missing is the blood of Gaga's haute couture:



"Look at me! I'm cool! I wear dead animals!"

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Urban Hat€monger ?

You actually bought that sycophantic fluff piece masquerading as an apology?

'I am the most judgment-free human being on the earth'

That just sounds like someone too sh*t scared to offer an opinion on anything, and if you have nothing to say then as far as I am concerned that makes you totally pointless & redundant as an artist.

Which takes me back to my original point I made a few days ago, she's not an 'artist' she's just a clothes horse with a few lightweight disco tunes.

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VEGANGELICA

Yes.

She sounds just like a typical omnivore who thinks wearing the butchered bodies of sentient beings really isn't that cruel, and does it without meaning to disrespect those people who see it for what it is. Gaga genuinely appears to believe no one would be seriously offended by her wearing meat, so her apology sounds a little fluffy because she just doesn't get it. My guess is that she is not herself offended by meat-eating, so it is hard for her to feel something she does not.

For the record, I preferred Ellen Degeneres' kale/cabbage bikini and skirt combo she offered Gaga to wear instead of meat the next time she wants to wear food. You just can't go wrong with vegetables!

She doesn't look scared ****less to me, and she has an important point she makes: if people don't stand up for their rights, other people WILL treat them and use them just like they use and overlook animals all the time.

She certainly likes clothes...I'll give you that...and she does have some lightweight disco tunes and several that I don't like.

But I definitely see the artist in her. I think you just don't like her art, you harsh critic, you!

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Maribel

I've never heard a single song by her (maybe I have and I didn't know it), but she just seems like a total attention whore to me.

TumorAttitude

She seems to have offended a few people.......

FaSho

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Consolator

What?

Gaga has strong convictions -- she's been the target of much criticism from other artists as well as groups. Her concerts have been repeatedly protested by religious groups because of her strong advocacy work of gay rights. I don't know where you live (if even in the US), but where I live, to stand up for gay rights puts you in the position to make LOTS of enemies. Had Gaga only cared about album sales, she would make safe, slightly less sex-obsessed music and would not comment on any sort of political / religious issue. I think by being pro-active in such issues, it shows that she does in fact have convictions and guts.

The last time I checked, whether you like it or not, Gaga is in fact an artist. The definition of artist is someone who essentially works in the arts. Singing, dancing, song-writing are included in that. Are you really one of those people that has that snooty pre-conceived "Well, I don't think she should be called an artist" ?

I do not like very much metal music, does that mean I go into the metal forum ****ting all over the artists saying that it's not art? That's juvenile. Note, I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize artists. Let's make better points than "I don't think she's an artist." I'm surprised that more people have not mentioned how predictable she has gotten as of late.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Every two bit female pop star bangs on about Gay rights or Feminism at some point. That doesn't make her music any more art worthy or controversial.
I mean bands like Coldplay speak out about safe issues like that kind of thing all the time. It doesn't make their music any more interesting that the turgid safe slush that it already is.

And let's face it, outlandish fashion sense, disco friendly pop tunes. the woman has stereotypical gay icon written all over her. Would it really be any kind of shock to anybody that she supports gay right?
That would be like me putting on a Primal Scream or Hawkwind album on and suddenly being shocked and outraged that they contain drug references.

So wearing an outfit made of meat is a statement that can be taken 'with many different interpretations'
Does that sound like someone with convictions ? That's an awfully vague description. That just sounds like someone who's gone out to get as much attention as humanly possible at one of the most widely seen televisual events of the year and then fumbled up some feeble excuse when asked to expand on it.

Why shouldn't I ?
Art is whatever you want it to be. I just think for all the plaudits she gets what I see coming out from her is remarkably hollow & basic.
Hell it's not even original, making pop songs to appeal to the slightly older pop demographic while wearing elaborate clothes, hell Alison Goldfrapp was doing that around a decade ago.

I think I've made plenty of valid points, even if you think I'm not I don't really see how you can say I'm being juvenile. I've explained what I don't like about her and why. I don't take issue with anyone liking her music or being a fan. I just don't see how anyone can dress this stuff up & claim it's anything more 'higher art' than say your average pop singer, which is basically all she is albeit with a rather large outlandish wardrobe.

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Consolator

You're right that most pop stars bring up gay rights at some point, but not nearly to the point that Gaga does. I mean, just look at her website right now. You get re-directed to a plea to visit the Repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell whatever website. If you actually go to her website, it's more gay rights stuff. Her recent tweets and facebook updates have been purely about repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell. She brought the discharged soldiers to the VMA's with her and thanked them in her award speech. Please name a recent pop star that has used her fame to advance the cause to this degree.

Why is it so strange that something can have many different interpretations? Do you expect her to ramble off a list of things it symbolizes at command? The whole meat on your bones comment was awkwardly worded, yes, but is that not a reasonable interpretation to you? In essence, she's right. If we don't take part in our government, we will likely get the short ends of the sticks. Do you disagree with her claim? If not, I frankly don't see why you're criticizing her for it.

Also, I never said Gaga was original. Ever. If I have, please show me where and I will gladly edit it. Most of what (if not all) she's done can either be traced back to Madonna or Grace Jones. It's one of the problems I have with Lady Gaga. The only song of hers that has really impressed me in terms of being original is her song "Teeth," but even then, there may be some song just like it out there. I don't know. If there is I haven't heard it. It isn't like the stuff what is on the radio these days. It has a jazzy sound to it. I especially agree about your Goldfrapp comment. Goldfrapp is a delight. But, I digress, this is not the Goldfrapp thread.

You may think her messages are hollow and basic, but I can attest that there are many who do not. This thread is evident of that. Hollow and basic is subjective and means different things to different people.

Goblin Tears

GaGa is a shit turd compared to Kate Bush.