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Old 01-07-2016, 03:54 PM   #71 (permalink)
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This was all that was said in the first post. The worry that prog's future is looking grim is at least rational. What he said about electronic wasn't.

TR, music is a collaboration of sounds used to create a rhythmatic experience that's pleasing to the ears. But that depends on the ears. What's good is debatable. What is and is not music isa bad way to look at things. Even a guy banging on pots to an uneven tempo and singing off key to a different tempo is still music, but it'll likely suck.
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Old 01-07-2016, 03:55 PM   #72 (permalink)
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This was all that was said in the first post. The worry that prog's future is looking grim is at least rational. What he said about electronic wasn't.

TR, music is a collaboration of sounds used to create a rhythmatic experience that's pleasing to the ears. But that depends on the ears. What's good is debatable. What is and is not music isa bad way to look at things. Even a guy banging on pots to an uneven tempo and singing off key to a different tempo is still music, but it'll likely suck.
No it's not rational. One has to be pretty clueless about prog, if one thinks there hasn't been awesome stuff constantly released after the seventies.
Even if someone is as incredibly narrow minded as the thread starter, there is still enough RetroProg channelling the good old days to have fun with.
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But you agree that music is subjective? If so, you also agree he can believe that there is a lot of awesome modern prog. He is a prog fan, and he likes modern prog as well. The fact that you disagree doesn't necessarily make it true. I like brostep. Most people don't. That doesn't necessarily mean the genre itself is good.
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Old 01-07-2016, 04:01 PM   #74 (permalink)
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I listen to "Endless" by Art Rock Circus, I didn't mind it, some of it is reminiscent of KC. So does the artist Teddy Fisher often collaborate with Tributary Records? You should have him design Prog-themed shirts - concert style, with medium sleeve length. I heard that's how G&R made their money, off of concert shirts. To quote Space Balls by Mel Brooks "Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising."
We have worked with Teddy and will continue to do so. It's a positive collaboration. He doesn't sell his art. His reason is to keep the entire collection together so that it can be properly shown, archived etc moving into the future. It's an incredible collection. Over 100 works I believe. Some of these paintings take 6 to 8 months to complete.

He came to one of our events and was genuinely impressed and wanted to work with us. We liked his stuff of course. Some of his pieces have been presented with moving light effects and give it a motion movement feel and we have performed live music at events to that.

There has also been a collaboration of him live painting in one of our studios along with the creation of music being composed, performed, and recorded in real time while both he and musicians are working. It's quite interesting actually.
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But you agree that music is subjective? If so, you also agree he can believe that there is a lot of awesome modern prog. He is a prog fan, and he likes mofdern prog as well. The fact that you disagree doesn't necessarily make it true. I like brostep. Most people don't. That doesn't necessarily mean the genre itself is good.
You seem confused.
He does not like modern prog.
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Old 01-07-2016, 04:06 PM   #76 (permalink)
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No it's not rational. One has to be pretty clueless about prog, if one thinks there hasn't been awesome stuff constantly released after the seventies.
Even if someone is as incredibly narrow minded as the thread starter, there is still enough RetroProg channelling the good old days to have fun with.
I have listened to tons of new stuff actually. We have a label, so we get bombarded with demos and links to soundcloud, bandcamp, itunes etc. I would say for every 100 things I listen to, maybe one sounds like it was a recording of a group of musicians playing music. The rest sounds like digital sound collaging. So that stuff is better to be released by someone who is into that kind of thing. It's just too lifeless and sterile sounding for our tastes.

Are we not allowed an opinion here?
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Oops/. I've misread that. Alright, let me change that. If you believe music is subjective, doesn't he have the right to believe modern prog isn't as good? Personally, I'm a little in the middle. Although I like Modern Prog, I think the majority of great prog comes from the early stages. Dream Theater is still one of my favorites. I though their 2000's works were great. I'm looking forward to the new one. But my other favorite prog bands are classic bands like Kansas and Pink Floyd. What genres do you not like? I could disagree.
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You seem confused.
He does not like modern prog.
We are well aware of ProTools and all the modern digital gadgets that can make most anyone sound tight and clean. When things sound altered, it comes across as pretending. I think one of the reasons the 90's grunge scene or the 70's punk scene took off was because it simply felt real again. I think that's been missing in Prog for a very long time, and why I believe the genre will continue to decline until it wakes up and realizes it needs to sound more naturally connecting.
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This is our label site:

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We are a boutique label, but we are the original [LABEL NAME REMOVRD] Label. Someone came along later and used our name, not worth fighting over. We formed in 1998.

Our site is a Flash site, it's designed for laptop or desktop computers, not iPhones or small screen devices. Hopefully it won't come up on those. We have combined and worked with artists and photographers, actors, performing arts etc.

Recent quality upgrades by youtube has raised our interest in posting some things there, so we just put up a channel a couple of weeks ago.

Here is a recent collaboration with master painter Teddy Fisher - Art Rock Circus





In 1996 we staged a large scale Rock Opera in Las Vegas at The Flamingo Theater. It did two runs there and then a 6 week run in Los Angeles in 2004. We never released a video of the production because to be honest, it was too dark in the theater. Had we booked an extra week to try and light all the scenes properly, then I think it could have been considered. But we have been going through the three camera footage recently to commemorate the 20 year anniversary of the event. We did get some great stills, but the event was really meant to be experienced live. The audio recording capture the second night was excellent. We did release that and it sold quite well for us back before all the file sharing stuff "Napster", "Kazar" etc took over and changed things. It really hurt the artists and labels.





All of our artists and projects are live bands or performers. Since the decline of record sales, we have been able to continue onward from other sources of funding like art grants and endowments. Actually it's a much better way of going about things, because when we are given funding, it's more philanthropic so we can keep control over the creative menu.

I don't think we ever could have done this by sending links or digital files of our work to Art Foundations. It just doesn't make the same impact. Not anywhere close. People come to our performances or participate and want to get involved.

The inherent nature of anything internet is simply disposable. It is convenient for basis stuff… such as this.
This post was not intended to be spam. I think that is quite an unfair assessment.

Someone was questioning the credibility of our label and why only three youtube posts. We are a prog / art rock label since 1998. Been around quite a while now. We are a part, a small part of the future of prog, so I don't think it's off topic either.
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I have listened to tons of new stuff actually. We have a label, so we get bombarded with demos and links to soundcloud, bandcamp, itunes etc. I would say for every 100 things I listen to, maybe one sounds like it was a recording of a group of musicians playing music. The rest sounds like digital sound collaging. So that stuff is better to be released by someone who is into that kind of thing. It's just too lifeless and sterile sounding for our tastes.

Are we not allowed an opinion here?
Well, it seems your label is attracting the really amateurish stuff.
This might give you some bias, but there has been so, so much great prog released after the seventies.
Sure, have your opinion, but as I said, it seems very narrow minded and clueless.

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Oops/. I've misread that. Alright, let me change that. If you believe music is subjective, doesn't he have the right to believe modern prog isn't as good? Personally, I'm a little in the middle. Although I like Modern Prog, I think the majority of great prog comes from the early stages. Dream Theater is still one of my favorites. I though their 2000's works were great. I'm looking forward to the new one. But my other favorite prog bands are classic bands like Kansas and Pink Floyd. What genres do you not like? I could disagree.
Everybody has a right to think whatever he wants about music. But this 'modern prog' we are talking about here isn't one monolithic genre. We are talking about thousands and thousands of bands and albums being released in the incredibly long span of over thirty years.
Prog has been and is amazingly varied, more varied than ever actually. If a self-professed prog fan is unable to find lots and lots of stuff he likes in this variety, the fault lies with him, not with the music.
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