jackhammer

What? Punks and those generally into Alternative music especially in London listened to Reggae a lot as it had the same spirit of independence, social class and lyrical themes of Punk at times.

It was also underground enough to be played back to back in many clubs in the mid 70's.

The Ruts, The Clash and The Slits were all into Reggae music as much as other forms of music and no I just didn't throw it out there. I read interviews, watch documentaries and all those bands have commented on their love of Reggae.

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Rocknroll_Animal

You don't think I'm already aware of that definition?

In my opinion irony is a form of humour because it makes me laugh, near invariably. That's how I gauge life - its capacity to make me chuckle.

Humour is the capacity for comic value, and I find irony to inherently have a significant proportion.

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Sansa Stark

I think boobs means that, with the whole SEX shop thing, there was a "punk" trend created, so everyone in the scene would know how to dress accordingly. But as someone said, he just bottled it and made it marketable.


And if I remember correctly from docs and reading Please Kill Me, Legs McNeil claimed to have coined the term "punk" to describe the scene.

Audio_phil

I dont think McLarren created punk, but rather popularized it in Europe particularily in UK. For instance, the new-york based band Suicide was already there in 1971...

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Oh please don't say we're going back to finding any nihilistic band before 1976 and going 'HEY LOOK...THEY INVENTED PUNK'

Yawn.

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These retrospective claims always make me chuckle to myself every time I read one.
Had the Sex Pistols never been formed by McLaren would these bands have been described as punk?
The answer is a definite, no!
Other than being as a "nihilistic band" what would The Ramones have been remembered as?
How would The New York Dolls have been remembered? A Glam Rock band with a bad attitude?
As I remember, Iggy Pop was always Iggy Pop.
The Velvet Underground, as unique as they were, were always just, The Velvet Underground. As unusual as they were.
At the time non of these bands that are being hailed as the original punk band were even considered punk.
Back in the day, they were about as punk as Green Day!

Not until, as it seems to me, they were wheeled out decades later during some kind of punk renaissance.
At least that's the way I see it...and remember it.

No doubt there'll be some punk expert along anytime soon, telling me I don't know what the hell I'm talking about and giving me a list of bands from pre 76 that nobody had even heard of at the time...

Urban Hat€monger ?

Well the New York Dolls just ripped off the Rolling Stones.

OMG THE STONES WERE THE FIRST PUNK BAND EVARRRR.

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right-track

Nah. The Stones were influenced by Muddy Waters, Chuck Berry and the Godfather of Punk...Howlin' Wolf. < How punk is that name!

Urban Hat€monger ?

Who would have thought that Back Door Man was a biting social commentary about feminism.

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Jedey

Malcolm McLaren didn't invent Punk he exploited it ...big difference.

The first reference to the term Punk I recall was in a book written in the late sixties in referring to The Who.

The seeds to Punk were planted by The Monks in the mid-sixties.

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