Maybe I'm auditioning to be a parrot.

Well I think you're spot on with a lot of the things you say, you're getting the point across in a different way. My approach just seems to be too blunt I think.

Some people on here you have to handle with kid gloves, otherwise thay can get very upset.

Music is a surprisingly touchy subject. I'm always amazed at how emotional people can get when you disagree with them/disrespect their favorite artist, almost at a personal level.

I have and still stand by my top three. The Jam, Dead Boys, Rancid, NOFX, The Ruts, Bad Religion, etc. are all good, just not quite as good. The Buzzcocks (who I also like) are more pop punk than the Offspring.

The NY Dolls came out of the same NY City scene as Kiss. The difference is that The NY Dolls are great and Kiss sucks. The NY Dolls inlfuenced the 80's hair metal bands? The thought makes my skin crawl. They had a lot more influence on the boys and girls at CBGBs than they did on 80s hair bands in California.

The first 3 Kiss albums are just as good as anything the New York Dolls put out. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just deluding themselves, they're both exactly the same thing.

As for the New York Dolls not influencing hair metal, you don't seem to understand that not all hair metal was Bon Jovi, Poison style MTV videos & Ballads. A lot of the early hair metal bands has a massive influence from both punk and the New York Dolls. Just look at Hanoi Rocks, Torme, Dogs D'amour Lords Of The New Church (Which featured Brian James of The Damned, Stiv Bators of The Dead Boys and Dave Tregunna of Sham 69. And plenty of others I can't be bothered to name right now.

Even Nikki Sixx once said Motley Crue's 3 biggest influences at the start of their career was The New York Dolls, The Sex Pistols & The Sweet.

Correct, both Kiss and the Dolls were early purveyors of "in yer face low-rent trashy rock" I was never a fan of either of these two bands but they do have their moments, the third Kiss release had a good pop edge to it and I can listen to "Strutter" from the debut anytime, also some of the best Kiss songs on these albums were the ballads.

Not many people outside the UK know who the Sweet are, but this song was one of their best. Pat Benatar did a superb cover of it on her debut album. For the record Sweet were also a huge influence on Def Leppard as well.


Sweet - No You Don't - YouTube

Well I wouldn't know that since I joined a few days ago. :P

Certainly my statements aren't from my own personal sentiments. I just like a good debate.

Actually I understand a lot of your reasoning Forward. Just wanted to open up different perspectives, which is the beauty of debating. :] Really debating has nothing to do with being right or wrong.

I said this about two pages ago, about Kiss and NYD. Well-said.

Well debating requires a competitiveness, I consider it discussing. I just don't see a point in discussing it when the points have already been made. It always feels like a waste after that, and usually there's no reward, and both parties still leave with the same POV. I'm not here to change anyone's opinion, but to raise a few points.