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Old 02-04-2023, 02:27 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Yeah I...wait...what's wrong with Steely Dan?
The hardcore fans (and it's a real subset of people in my age group, i.e. millennials) seem to be pretentious in a way I find corny as opposed to any numbers of ways I embrace, that's all. Like a particular sub-type of reddit ****

Their music is also extremely not for me but who cares

I also know a couple of fans who are pretty cool

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Yes. I think a reason why some old punks (also Lydia Lunch and Exene Cervenka for instance) turn to right wing politics or conspiracy theories is that much of their fame and identity is based around being anti-establishment cultural innovators: when they were young they were at the forefront of that kind of stuff but when you're old, you generally lose touch a bit and don't easily understand everything that the kids who are now at the forefront are doing. The healthy attitude is to accept that and try to understand anyway, but if it has been such a big part of your identity it's probably a hard pill to swallow and they turn their contrarian spirit in the wrong direction, against these new innovations that frustrate them. It's painful to watch
Oh what has Lydia done now?
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Old 02-04-2023, 04:37 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Sex Pistols, mainly because I love John Lydon (and PiL) and find him fascinating and hilarious and could listen to him talk the livelong day. Plus major bonus points for the way he loves and takes care of his ill wife.
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I love the Pistols but Lydon's support of Trump is not cool or very punk. Even if he's just being a contrarian edgelord it still has the vibe of a 4chan "oh I'm just ironically racist" schtick. It's not funny or charming, it's just childish.
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The hardcore fans (and it's a real subset of people in my age group, i.e. millennials) seem to be pretentious in a way I find corny as opposed to any numbers of ways I embrace, that's all. Like a particular sub-type of reddit ****

Their music is also extremely not for me but who cares

I also know a couple of fans who are pretty cool
Fair enough - I like Steely Dan, I wouldn't say I love them, but I enjoy their music. It's not a pretentious thing with me (usually) - I like some music, I dislike other music, for various reasons. Unlike Walter White:



Per the thread question, I guess the Ramones are overall probably a better band - they've got a better catalog and had more longevity. But if I had to choose between living in a world where one or the other didn't exist, I'd probably keep the Pistols, just for the massive amount of influence they've had on other bands.
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I love the Pistols but Lydon's support of Trump is not cool or very punk. Even if he's just being a contrarian edgelord it still has the vibe of a 4chan "oh I'm just ironically racist" schtick. It's not funny or charming, it's just childish.
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Agreed. He certainly has, um, contradictory opinions on a range of topics. He also supported President Obama and Hillary Clinton - so go figure.
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I suppose I shouldn't expect so much worldly maturity from a guy who called himself "Johnny Rotten", haha.
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A reference to his rotten teeth, lol. Thanks to the miracles of implant dentistry, his teeth are all spruced up now. Wish his politics were.
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Old 02-05-2023, 06:08 AM   #118 (permalink)
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Oh what has Lydia done now?
She has gone full conspiracy loon allegedly. There is a great, thorough interview series called the women on rock oral history project (I think) and I haven't seen Lydia's interview yet but the one with Exene (which is otherwise a nice interview) spirals into conspiracy weirdness and I've heard that the Lydia Lunch one is similar
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Interviews can be seen here: https://www.womenofrock.org/interviews
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"Christ the amount of human effort wasted to sound like an SNL band warm up.”

They spent three weeks on the guitar solo…” Three weeks of watching guitar players give it their all while doing bumps and hitting the talkback, “More *Egyptian* but keep it in the pocket…”

Look at yourselves. Calling them “the Dan.” Go trim your beard.
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https://www.stereogum.com/2213086/st...eely-dan/news/
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