Why is "Post-Punk" even considered "Punk"?

Neapolitan · 07-07-2016, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

If there are a lot of sensible connections to make, I think connecting them to it is logical.

Pink Floyd is prog.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You can't fix stupid. I bet you haven't even heard 10 prog albums.

Pink Floyd is view by most music journalist as the flagship band of Progressive Rock, mainly for the album "Dark Side of the Moon." And because of that it is almost by consensus Pink Floyd is considered Prog. So you can't fault him if he says they are. I think it was kinda unnecessary that you said "You can't fix stupid."

JGuy Grungeman · 07-07-2016, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You can't fix stupid. I bet you haven't even heard 10 prog albums.

You'rd right, because I've been trying to fix you a d your brain for a long time. Also, 60-70. Mostly KC and Genesis. And this doesn't include the Krautrock or Canterbury albums.

**Janszoon** · 07-07-2016, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

And I'm saying that you can connect quite a few albums that are definitely not prog to prog rock classics, which is what happens to Pink Floyd. Long form psychedelic jams can be found outside of prog, like in psychedelic music.

Pink Floyd is not prog.

I think some of their albums are prog or at least prog-ish, and I'd say they were pretty influential on prog.

JGuy Grungeman · 07-07-2016, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Pink Floyd is view by most music journalist as the flagship band of Progressive Rock, mainly for the album "Dark Side of the Moon." And because of that it is almost by consensus Pink Floyd is considered Prog. So you can't fault him if he says they are. I think it was kinda unnecessary that you said "You can't fix stupid."

Especially considering Floyd is usually the first mentioned in the Big 4 of Ptog, as in the four most important and influential acts in their scene, the other three being KC, Genesis, and Yes. Big 4's are generally fan-formed, bug only a few genres have official ones. The only other two I know are thrash ans gringe.

**Frownland** · 07-07-2016, 09:44 PM

^Look at Gallup poll results and tell me that you really think that public consensus is a good place to bank your opinion on.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I think some of their albums are prog or at least prog-ish, and I'd say they were pretty influential on prog.

I'll concede on prog-ish because that's what got us into this whole mess of people thinking that they're a prog band.

JGuy Grungeman · 07-07-2016, 09:47 PM

You mean the vast majority of the prog fanbase, the journalists, the musicologists, and the prog bands who claim to be influenced by Pink Floyd? Keep in mind prog was evolving around the same time Floyd came out. You could say they helped create many of prog's practices.

**Janszoon** · 07-07-2016, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I'll concede on prog-ish because that's what got us into this whole mess of people thinking that they're a prog band.

Well, they were a couple different things over the course of their career, but I think you can make the case for Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, and Animals as prog albums. The stuff before that I'd consider psychedelic, and the stuff after I'd consider, I guess, art rock.

**Frownland** · 07-07-2016, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

You mean the vast majority of the prog fanbase, the journalists, the musicologists, and the prog bands who claim to be influenced by Pink Floyd?

FYI saying that a lot of people think differently from me will never work in persuading me because I am not a sheep and think with my own brain thank you very much.

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Keep in mind prog was evolving around the same time Floyd came out. You could say they helped create many of prog's practices.

Prog can borrow from Floyd without Floyd being prog. We actually see this concept of drawing from outside of the genre all the time with prog. It's wild that progressive acts don't always act by the rules in order to make their music more forward, I know.

Aloysius · 07-07-2016, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Especially considering Floyd is usually the first mentioned in the Big 4 of Ptog, as in the four most important and influential acts in their scene, the other three being KC, Genesis, and Yes. Big 4's are generally fan-formed, bug only a few genres have official ones. The only other two I know are thrash ans gringe.

Never heard of gringe - is that a mixture of grunge and minge?

JGuy Grungeman · 07-07-2016, 09:59 PM

But the thing is you're not THINKING about what makes prog prog. Prog is about provoking-thought, and that along with the things I've mentioned before is what puts Pink Floyd on the same artistic pedestal as many other prog bands. Bottom line is, you can disbelieve it all you want, but prog wouldn't be prog without the real pioneers of prog and its customs, customs which Pink Floyd did better than most bands during the 70's.

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JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	But the thing is you're not THINKING about what makes prog prog. Prog is about provoking-thought, and that along with the things I've mentioned before is what puts Pink Floyd on the same artistic pedestal as many other prog bands. Bottom line is, you can disbelieve it all you want, but prog wouldn't be prog without the real pioneers of prog and its customs, customs which Pink Floyd did better than most bands during the 70's. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.