Perv. we're not talking about Porn.

More energy. Plus jazz rock is a very diverse term.

I thought punk was letting your fellow inmates fuck you in the ass?

:laughing:

My punk rock credentials are worse than Chula's, but I thought I'd chip in with a bit of proto punk: this is from The Dictators' March 1975 album, so it predates some other suggestions here. My guess is that The Dictators had too much humour and not enough aggression to count as real punk rockers. Amirite?



Also, as I understand it, "Punk" was firstly the title of a NYC fanzine issued in the early days of CBGB's, describing bands that played there,etc,etc. Isn't that how the genre got its name? The Sex Pistols may've had a bigger success/impact, but they weren't, as someone suggested a few pages back, the first punk rock band.

I saw The Dictators last year at one of my favorite small venues and even with all the humor running throughout their songs, they definitely sound like what I consider to be punk rock. Richard "Handsome Dick" Manitoba and Ross "The Boss" Friedman from the original Dictators with JP “Thunderbolt” Patterson, Daniel Rey, and Dean Rispler. Easily one of the most thoroughly enjoyable and ass-kicking punk shows I've ever seen in the past 39 years (holy crap! the years fly by fast! :yikes:)

Arguably, Woody Guthrie was the first punk musician I can see.

A lot of his music was pro-working class, anti-corporatist and anti-fascist. It may not have been what we consider punk today, but lyrically it was punk as hell.

New York Dolls.

The band that started the "you don't have to be the greatest musicians to make music" band.

The Ramones, The Clash, The Sex Pistols all credit The Dolls as their major influence. Johnny Thunders to be exact.

Malcolm McLaren formed the Sex Pistols because The New York Dolls broke up shortly after he took over as their manager.

Punk artists had a host of influences. But, they all credit the Dolls as a major one.

Of course Johnny's look was taken over by the hair metal bands of the 80s. But, Johnny was one of a kind.

^ Sorry, Psy-Fi, I've only just caught up with your post. I can imagine that live, they'd put on quite a show - more fun than their studio stuff, probably. Also, it's kind of you to defend my candidate, especially given that I am just a tourist in this genre. Thanks.

Welcome to MB, Mr.Mushroom :wave: I like your user name, and hope you enjoy yourself here.
Unfortunately, I am obliged to disagree completely with your post! Those three characteristics you mention have run like a thread through folk music - and blues, for that matter- since folk music began. Punk and folk may have attitudes in common, but that doesn't mean the labels are interchangeable. Still, I'm glad you should mention Woody Guthrie, and even make a case for him here. That's excuse enough for me to post this long saga, so others can decide just how punk he is:-

The Ramones