I think it's pretty good. Beautiful lyrics.

The great "Yeezus" has no respect for his audience.

Why do artists need to have respect for their audience? It's about the music.

I hated the song, auto-tune trash. Why would he have a legend like Paul Mccartney in his song and then make his part so small. Very bad track. The Auto-Tune just ruins any chance of it being remotely listenable for me.

Are people forgetting the fact that Ye' made a record all in Auto-tune, where he literally does not rap on any of the tracks? I respect Kanye for not giving a solitary fuck. That being said, the song kinda sucks. Hope it's not on his next record.

It's already been confirmed as the first single of his next album haha. That being said I love when an artist totally goes against his grain and does something different but only when it still shows quality and not just his creativity. Take Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" album for example.

808s is a great album. Why does everyone cream themselves when guitars are laden with effects but freak out when the same thing is done to a voice? It's an instrument in its own right.

Because an auto-tuned voice at least for a soul lover like me will never match the quality of a genuinely great singer, I think the effects sound terrible and help in no way make a better singer, I'd honestly rather hear any auto-tune song without the auto-tune. I can't speak on the guitar side of your arguement but I'd also imagine people are allowed to treat sounds as different as a guitar to a voice much differently in perspective.

Kanye isn't trying to be a soul singer, and he certainly knows he isn't a good singer, but the fact that he really just makes music for himself that we as his fans happen to enjoy speaks volumes and shows he isn't bound down by public opinion and perception. 808's is quality, and the auto-tune works perfectly for it. Very post-modern if you ask me.

I's creeping up there for me. Probably third behind Late Registration and Yeezus.

I love it. MBDTF is my favourite, followed by Late Registration. Fighting with The College Dropout for third place. It's just so honest and emotional.

Because it still takes skill to play the instrument, where as auto-tuning just hides sh*tty singers behind effects. I don't have a problem with auto-tuning itself but please don't try to pass the musicians off who use it as talented if they don't sound good without it (in general, not accusing you of do doing this).

Idk, maybe because the artist is worthless without the audience? Unless part of the performance is you being an a$$hole, like the comedians known for roasting the audience, it's probably in your best interest to not be a jerkoff.

I'm not sure how complicated it is to use autotune but I am sure it doesn't consist of just signing into it then releasing the song.
As for your edit, it still doesn't affect the music whatsoever.

You realize in most cases the artists singing are not the ones doing the auto-tuning right? Kanye might auto-tune himself but that goes to his credibility as a producer which I will never diss him for. I still hate his emcee presence.

Who cares? The finished product is what matters.

Who cares? I for one, and I'm sure every producer making the beats for these musically challenged stage puppets want the credit they deserve. You don't give credit to the frontman of an amazing rock band for the sick drumming. Why is this any different?

Ever heard of The Neptunes? Timbaland? Kanye (before he made it big as a 'musically challenged stage puppet')?

The producers who are talented enough to stand on their own, do so. The others stand in the shadows of the likes of Kanye because their craft isn't good enough to stand on it's own two feet.

We are discussing the difference between auto-tuning and other instrumental effects. I don't know what point your trying to make but it has nothing to do with the conversation I just started with James.

It takes talent to make something that sounds interesting and invigorating. You don't see any old schlep off the street picking up autotune and instantly making a hit record or innovative music. You still have to have a creative drive.

This traditionalist view of what talent is (playing your own instruments, singing without enhancements) is old hat and i'm tired of hearing it. A person making interesting music with autotune (who has a ****ty voice behind that autotune) is more indispensable than a guitar virtuoso. Creativity wins everytime.

Yeh, and I gave Kanye credit for it, but that has nothing to do with him as an emcee. That is his ability as a producer. My point is the thing I found most interesting about his music is all in his production. Maybe you like his lyrics/performance, but it does nothing for me.

Take an artist like Jason Derulo, who doesn't do his auto-tuning. He is replacable with any other good looking guy with the confidence to rock out on stage. I mean did you hear his live performance on New Years NYC? The dude can barely sing. His producers make him sound good, and that is why I said:

Most of the people using auto-tune ARE NOT the ones making the interesting music. If you don't understand that you need to take a step back and look at how the music industry works. Half these people don't even write the songs. So what exactly are you trying to give them credit for that is music related? Like I said, musically challenged stage puppets. They are performers not musicians. The music industry cares more about marketability than talent. They can fake talent, they've got that sh*t down to a science.

Edit: Auto-tuning/voice enhancement is part of that science. Like I said earlier I don't have a problem with the auto-tuning itself.

I'm not crazy about his emceeing either, but his strengths shine through regardless.

Have people been lauding Jason Derulo for his talent? I wasn't aware if they had.

Granted, those people sell a lot of records and have the mass appeal of course. But I'm not really concerned with that. If your point is that the people who are actually talented aren't making enough money, then that problem predates autotune by a long stretch.

But I've never known those artists to be regarded as having a lot of talent. Not by music fans in the know, at least. They make easily digestable party, summer music. And before autotune, you had artists like Mariah Carey who were extremely vocally talented, yet made extremely bland music. To me there's no difference there. Whether the vocal talent is there or not, it isn't interesting and I won't listen to it.

never forget

^ Most influential artist of our generation.

Edit: wow, he's got serious soul actually.

I'm surprised Kanye's performance at the Brits hasn't been posted. Did anyone see it?

He performed 'All Day' and had the Grime scene as his backing dancers. I thought the tune was just OK. Taylor Swift seemed to like it.

I expect his album to be announced within a month or so.

I really like All Day. He's already said it will be a surprise release.

Do you mean released with no notice, like that Beyonce album?

I reckon it will be out soon.

He released the title of it on twitter.

"So Help Me God"

Artwork:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...5195436185.jpg

Taylor kisses his bum bum to appear "down"

Lionel Ritchie called him out for his performance. It got bad reviews.

Who gives a **** about Lionel Ritchie?

Lionel > Kanye

Who gives a shit about Kanye?

Everyone gives a shit about someone.. dumb questions get dumb answers. :thumb:

It was a rhetorical question clearly.

Yeh, I was joking. Someone's cranky this morning.

Because Kanye isn't easy like Sunday morning.

He's shitty like Monday morning.

Kanye's a Friday night, come on now.

Kanye is like WhateverDude's saturday morning (or whatever time he finally comes back to life).

^and Yeezus is waking up while you're still kind of high.