they're amusingly ignorant/sh*t to me

but yours are just mildly clever and boring imo

i don't really get a kick out of one liners like that tbh

clever = boring
ignorant = amusing

I hate you.

Is one set of lyrics supposed to be better than the other?

Why you gotta troll me so hard?

mildly clever

it's like a joke that you get and the punchline makes sense but it doesn't arouse a comedic response

where as this joke:



is actually funny :laughing:

So you're saying all the other artists should take up vocal duties, and the producers and Kanye should just be on production? Or Kanye out of the picture entirely? That was a peculiar post

It was an honest question. Both sets of lyrics aren't very impressive.

Post some bars up that you find impressive.. I was just trying to give examples of what I consider to be clever wordplay.

The use of holding cells in the second quote is pretty great to me. It's not easy to come up with double meanings, at least not for me.

No, I'm saying his production and rapping are bad but he's apparently good at getting talented people in a room together. So what I'd love to see is him contributing nothing to "his" albums except being sort of a project coordinator. I mean that's almost what he is already, aside from the fact that he insists on spitting a few terrible verses over the tracks. Remove that and the collective that's left might release something pretty good.

If you like Kanye's (collective) production but not necessarily his rapping, this might be of interest to you: DatPiff

Then again, Jon Connor may not do it for you either. You'd probably have to settle for the Yeezus Christmas parody album at that point.

My comment wasn't intended to be a critique. I literally just wasn't sure what you were trying to communicate with your post.

Most lyrics out there, in any genre, aren't very impressive pieces of literature because they're a secondary aspect of the medium of music, written by people who couldn't hack it in a literary medium. I'd need some time to think of some that I find impressive.

Yeh, I could see that.

I liked the group that put together Yeezus but "his" other albums really don't do it for me so I'm not sure how much this would do it for me. From the couple samples I just listened to, Jon Connor definitely seems like a better than Kanye, but he doesn't seem all that distinct to me. My opinion could certainly change though, it wouldn't be the first time.

statik selektah does this except he does make the beats and honestly i listen to that **** way more than i listen to any kanye albums

except prodigy of mobb deep

would read his lyrics as poetry over a sonnet-writing shakespeare sissy anyday

Good thing Nick Cave, Bob Dylan, Tupac, or Tom Waits don't fall in that "most lyrics" category.

I think Nick Cave, when he's on, is on par with actual literature. Tom Waits too, to a certain extent. Bob Dylan has never really done it for me lyrically but I probably need to give a closer listen to his songs before I can make a judgement. Tupac doesn't even belong in the discussion.

I was talking to JWB about this the other night: I think Sage Francis is a great writer, and he's on of my favorite artists.

Okay maybe not Tupac. :laughing:

I think a lot of rappers have lyrics worthy of the term 'literature'. Earl Sweatshirt is better at assonance than a lot of contemporary poets.

MF Doom
Nas
Kanye (when he's being especially clever)
Andre 3000
RZA (early Wu-tang)

Plenty of rappers are literary poets.

I'd also suggest Aesop Rock and Danny Brown.

Lets not forget Immortal Technique

Never got into him. Think his fans have put me off a bit.

i was gonna stay silent but you went too far with that one

:laughing: @ immortal technique being considered good poetry

maybe the song about raping his own mom. that's about it

this **** is poetry tho

F*ck poetry.

GFK slyly referenced a story from Dubliners, no other rapper can put that on their resume

EDIT: and if they can they probably still suck compare to the ghost faced killah

Take that back.
That's impressive. What song?

Eww, no.

You take that back or I'm gonna go roll in your lawn.

I write poetry, no judging.

I would say I agree with roughly zero of those. I like Doom, Nas and Andre 3000, and while I don't think any of them write bad lyrics, they're a far cry from great literature. I don't have a problem with that, by the way. They make good music and the lyrics work fine with it. It's the nature of music as an artform that means that care is being paid to a bunch of different things, aside from the words, so it's not surprising that the writing isn't up the level of artforms where the words are the sole focus.

post the best poem you've ever read janzoon

I have no idea what the best poem I've ever read it is.

I see your point, sorta.

This being said, whoever doesn't appreciate Kanye West and his greatness in nearly everything he touches, please leave the thread now.

I really wish I could step inside your head and hear that, because what I hear from him is not particularly interesting. It does fascinate me that so many people are into him though.

"I'm like the fly Malcolm X/Buy any jeans necessary”

Pretty much the best lyricist ever.

I give Kanye credit for everything he does except rapping. He's a bad lyricist.

"Who killing them in the U.K?
everybody say you, K?"

He's a goddamn genius, that's what he is.

he's sure of it. :cool: