Kanye's done more for hip hop than any rapper Of the 21st century. Being an executive producer, rapper, lyricists for six records. Five of which went straight to number one. Has earned tons of Grammys. He's prolific, man!

But I guess Michael Jackson was too, and I'll never understand the propensity of that strange man.

The reason Kanye's so great is that he influenced music that is far superior to his own and the mo****ers famous? **** so does that make Michael Bay the second coming of Welles or Kubrick?

Also: prolific :laughing:.

Basically he can make a beat and rap good.
I would respect that if a million other rappers couldn't do the same sh*t.

To me he excels as producer, is sub par as a rapper and is not an impressive lyricist.

let's all just agree to disagree. You say hate, I say great. Who can honestly make a record as substantial as MBDTF? No lame ass rapper working now.

post a top notch poem then

oh i don't hate him. i actually luv his arrogant stage persona and wish even more success so it could get bigger.

Armand Hammer - Race Music
El-P - Cancer 4 Cure
Hail Mary Mallon - Bestiary
Ka - The Night's Gambit
Cult Favorite - For Madmen Only
I'm not the biggest fan but I would even say Good Kid m.a.a.d. City too.
Etc.

Those albums wouldn't exist without the blueprint of MBDTF, or College Dropout or Late Registration. Hell, maybe even Graduation.

A tower built on a foundation of shit is still a tower and the shit still shit.

i don't think that tower would do too well

Maybe the shit isn't actually the foundation but it keeps telling everyone that it is.

the **** talks now?

this is getting weird

The shit doesn't talk, it's called rapping.

And yes, it does rap, unfortunately.

Ghost Deini, from Supreme Clientele. The genius interpretation points out that the Gallant is a type of Mitsubishi, and that he has them lying in wait for some act of deviancy. However, the particular use of "Two Gallants," a story about two men trying to weasel gold - one doing the actual work, the other kind of tagging along - from a naive girl, reminds me of some of the narratives Ghost would tell, albeit much more mundane (as all of Joyce's work is essentially). I believe it references Joyce especially because Ghost's stream of consciousness is so akin to Joyce, full of free association, somewhat abstract innuendo as well as other bizarre uses of humor, and vivid imagery.

:laughing: gotcha.

You lost my attention anyways after you mentioned El-p, the guy white washes hip hop and sounds like shit He comes off hard, but even Kanye sounds tougher than him. Not to mention the horrid mumbo jumbo noise he passes off as beats. If you think that's substantial hip hop, I think we're hearing two different things.

I was kind of thinking lyrically but I do also think those albums have great production as well (which isn't one of Kanyes faults tbh). I wasn't aware that going hard qualified for substantiality but I've only been listening to hip hop for coming up on three or four years now so I'll keep that in mind.

LOL @ the noise comment. I listen to Metal Machine Music hungover, I might be a little desensitized. Plus it's not like the beats on Yeezus sound anything like what El would do...

The beats on Yeezus were neutered Death Grips/NIN, i mean it's not much deeper than that. Now lemme jump in and say i'm not the biggest El-P fan, not against him just haven't listened enough, but I just can't believe the criticism I'm seeing here. I think he's a fine artist, and the fact that all of RTJ is on his back (along with some other great work) just seems to entirely negate the idea that his stuff is just noise.

I mean El-P is only the best producer in the game right now, what's so special about that?

until he makes a beat for thugger that is up for debate. have you not heard metro thuggin

I know this is probably a joke but the musical equivalent of Michael Bay would have to be Nickelback or Linkin Park. Absolute trash human. To mention him in the same sentence as Kanye as an insult!

Never looked at his lyrics in much detail, but this is really cool. I used to hate Joyce but I've come round to him lately.

I dont know about that mate! He has a solid subject matter that seems to transcend different generations of people!!!! You cant be weak on the mic if you connect with people!!!

I really dislike MBDTF so I guess my answer would be pretty much anyone.

MBDTF the "blueprint" that allowed records like Cancer4Cure to be created... :laughing:

While it may be overstated, that album is still really influential.

Sure, but I'm not sure there's any validity to his posts regarding Kanye's influence on the likes of EL-P.

Yeah that's kind of what I was implying with 'overstated'. I highly doubt that was even a consideration on El-P's part, considering he was working to the same calibre well before MBDTF came out.

justthefacts making his case for fanboy2015

I think you're on to something.

Hey, we need the Kanye fans. Too many of you hate on him.

That's why I used that analogy :ar_15s:.

Ah man, you were doing so well though on earning your cool points back.

You like Yeezus though, no self respecting person likes any of Michael Bay's movies.
Also Kanye is arrogant, but at least he's not a right wing sexist nutjob.

I thought The Rock was a decent flick, but who said I ever had any self respect anyway.

I don't hate Kanye. I jam to a bunch of his songs. but I do think hes more of an individual song guy rather than an album guy

I respect your lack of self-respect. I suppose it is kinda overrated.
Yeah, to be fair, MBDTF is the only album without tracks I often skip.

I basically don't care about the last half of MBDTF. the first 4-5 songs are bangers tho

Yup

"metro boomin want some more nigga"

Ninetales got it right though. Maybe not on the first 4-5 tracks per se, because "Runaway" is probably the best song, and I dig that last track, but yeah, a few joints are way overlong and unnecessary (you know it's bad when I think Pusha's on a bad song ("So Appalled"), and I can't stand "Hell of a Life", and then "Blame Game" is just dumb). On these facts alone I could never consider this album a classic. I also don't really see the influence it wields, I mean it's mostly soul samples and a pseudo storyline, overall it's a pretty standard Kanye album.

First one wasn't a bad beat by any means, but it still doesn't hold a candle to El-P's work.

Yeah El-P is master class, Metro Boomin has turned out to be one of my favorite newer mainstream producers though, along Mike Will and others.