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Old 02-02-2006, 09:37 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Out of that list...I would say the Beatles.

Motley Crue?

I accredit the Beatles with changing the face of Pop-Rock forever.
I'm suprised like others that The VU aren't on the list. They laid the foundation for what we call alternative music.

Motley Crue was obviously on the list as a joke.

Although I do think that The Stooges & Velvet Underground contributed to the alternative or pop/punk music, I don't think they necessarily had the biggest impact on it. Just my pathetic opinion.
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Old 02-02-2006, 01:06 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 02-02-2006, 06:17 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Yeah but those statements are just affection viewed through hyperbole. TOOL once said "our fans would be pissed if they knew how much we stole from King Crimson".

I've heard both bands, I'd never say there was a direct rip. Bands with skill don't directly hi-jack other sounds.
Nirvana had no skill. Cobain wrote boring, cliche lyrics and he sucked at guitar.
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Old 02-02-2006, 06:25 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Nirvana had no skill. Cobain wrote boring, cliche lyrics and he sucked at guitar.
Dude - c'mon. You may not be a fan of Nirvana's music, or maybe you just hate the hoopla that Kurt's death has garnished (especially recently), but I don't see how any unbiased listener could listen to Nirvana and say that they had no skill.
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Old 02-02-2006, 06:26 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Theres no direct quotes on that...The Pixies arent even the biggest influence on Nirvana overall, they really share more similarities with The Melvins and Black Flag than they do with The Pixies.

"I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies"
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I dont really hear any real similarities between the two myself, the vocals and the guitar are not at all similar...And the songs are not quiet as agressive as Nirvanas.
Of course you don't, you don't want to have to admit that they ripped them off. And Pixies songs aren't as "agressive" as Nirvana's because they never had to market themselves to Grunge loving teenagers.

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I dont consider Nirvana a ripoff of The Pixies, they barely sound alike at all, and if Kurt Cobain didnt go on about how he loved The Pixies i doubt anyone would be making such a comparison, to me its just a bunch of elitist douchebags making a excuse to bring Nirvana down.

The only real similarities is the soft/loud dynamic, and Nirvana took this format form from The Pixies and took it to a whole new level, by making the music much louder and harder...And they made this style much more popular.

Either way, its NOT like The Pixies were the first band to do the soft/loud thing, Led Zeppelin have done it with several of their songs...King Crimson and Jethro Tull have done it too.
You're giving Pixies way too little credit. Loud/soft wasn't the only thing they did, they merged pop music and white noise in a way that hadn't been heard since The Velvet Underground. Nirvana did this, only a good looking, angsty lead singer is far more commercial than a fat guy in a college rock band.

And Led Zep, King Crimson, and Jethro Tull may have done the soft/loud thing too, but Kurt Cobain never praised them the way he praised Pixies. Besides, Nirvana weren't even the first Grunge band, something they're so often credited with. Does that mean that everything they did was null and void (which is what you seem to be saying about Pixies with bringing up Led Zep, etc.)?
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Old 02-02-2006, 06:29 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Dude - c'mon. You may not be a fan of Nirvana's music, or maybe you just hate the hoopla that Kurt's death has garnished (especially recently), but I don't see how any unbiased listener could listen to Nirvana and say that they had no skill.
Speaking of Kurt's death, how famous do you guys think Nirvana would've been if he hadn't died? Ask anybody who was around when Nirvana got big how much bigger they got after Cobain committed suicide.

As for Nirvana not having skill, they really didn't. Cobain was a sloppy guitar player and he was an awful songwriter. The only thing that redeems Nirvana's music in my eyes is Grohl and Novoselic's tight rhythm section.
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"I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies"
Kurt Cobain

Or do you doubt that the BCC knows what they're talking about?



Of course you don't, you don't want to have to admit that they ripped them off. And Pixies songs aren't as "agressive" as Nirvana's because they never had to market themselves to Grunge loving teenagers.



You're giving Pixies way too little credit. Loud/soft wasn't the only thing they did, they merged pop music and white noise in a way that hadn't been heard since The Velvet Underground. Nirvana did this, only a good looking, angsty lead singer is far more commercial than a fat guy in a college rock band.

And Led Zep, King Crimson, and Jethro Tull may have done the soft/loud thing too, but Kurt Cobain never praised them the way he praised Pixies. Besides, Nirvana weren't even the first Grunge band, something they're so often credited with. Does that mean that everything they did was null and void (which is what you seem to be saying about Pixies with bringing up Led Zep, etc.)?
Dont take everything Cobain says seriously, he would often cut himself down for his own amusement, or the medias amusement...You should know that in REALITY, Cobain acknowledged many influences other than Pixies, and i bet your ****ing ass the idea of Nirvana being a ripoff of Pixies would have never crossed your mind if it wasnt for Cobains quote....Forget the quotes, use your ****ing ears, listen to Nirvanas music and then Pixies music, if you think they sound the same, you are deaf.

And Cobain actualy did like Crimson, i remember him saying that Red was one of his favorite albums.

Pixies innovated white noise?...Puleeze, several bands have done it before, including the Jesus and Mary Chain, Can, Sonic Youth...Even King Crimson explored the realms of noise rock with Larks Tongue In Aspic and Red...Sure Nirvana didnt innovate anything, neither did Pixies.

Bands steal all the time, Led Zeppelin did it, all punk bands did it, Pixies sure as hell did it...Its not like Nirvana are the only criminals, though they are the only band who get bashed for it on a regular basis, go figure.
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Speaking of Kurt's death, how famous do you guys think Nirvana would've been if he hadn't died? Ask anybody who was around when Nirvana got big how much bigger they got after Cobain committed suicide.

As for Nirvana not having skill, they really didn't. Cobain was a sloppy guitar player and he was an awful songwriter. The only thing that redeems Nirvana's music in my eyes is Grohl and Novoselic's tight rhythm section.
I tried to be polite, but you are a motherf*cking idiot if you really believe that.

And no band lacks skill completely, everybody has skill to some degree, Cobain was average at best, his soloing was sloppy sometimes, but his rhythm playing was always clean, simple as hell, but clean...And it was his rhythm playing that was essential to the music, after all...Novoselic wasnt too skilled a bassist, but he was decent enough, and saying Grohl has no skill would simply be incorrect.
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Old 02-02-2006, 07:18 PM   #29 (permalink)
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i said before Led Zeppelin had the impact.. but i change my mind kind of.. wel;l no i dunno see if you can get this..

The Yardbirds.. WHY? because they broke up Eric Clapton went on to create Cream, and Jimmy Page went on to create Led Zeppelin.. so if it wasn't for the members in The Yardbirds nor Cream or Led Zeppelin would have happened, thus future bands not having Zeppelin and Cream to look up to.. and to bring different styles.. changing music so in saying that.. i think The Yardbirds had the biggest impact..
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Kurt Cobain was a prankster. He and Krist used to go around their home town and tag on local stores and churches things like "God is a homo".

The guy was smarter then the public eye, he would talk utter crap if he could get a kick out of other peoples gullability.
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