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Good to see you back Ooj

I have to say the Beatles. They got it all going. I don't like Nirvana, I never thought Kirt had much talent. David was the most talented member of that band.

The Beatles
Led Zeppelin
Black Sabbath

I would have to say Nirvana and the beatles they revolutionized music as we know it.

Going back to the 60's & 70's I can't think of any other band that sounded near as heavy and original as Led Zeppelin.

Nirvana didnt revolutionize shit

Wrong, Nirvana did nothing but revolutionize shit.

They revolutionized how to suck cock

I have to disagree every band puts them under there influence list that counts for something.

i doubt aqua put them as an influence

No I mean alot of bands that came after the whole grunge movement.

You must be kidding me........

First of all Nirvana took a lot of their sound from the Melvins so stating that they created the sound is pretty retarded.

Second of all NirvanaThat is right. The influence Nirvana had on good music wasn't much. Just about the onyl good influence they had were some catchy riffs, which I have even heard their riffs echo into bands like Paradise Lost.

Like I said before, the only good thing that came out of Nirvana, was the Foo Fighters. IMHO

If the Melvins sounded just like them, then why didn't the Melvins become the biggest band in the world. They were alright musically, and lyrically I didn't think Cobain was really a genius, it was more the passion and feeling he put into his singing. Maybe it's the resonance that so many young kids got by hearing 1 of his torturous screams, that made them so appealing. Kurt Cobain's depression that led to his suicide is a sad story, and I wish it didn't end up that way. Bless his soul. However, while they were here, he did put every ounce of his soul into his music, no matter how ugly someone might accuse his soul of being, it is truth that bleeds thru your speakers when you hear Cobain sing.

If it has to come from the list, I vote Sabbath. If I can vote anyone, I vote Metallica. Not the new poo, but the older good ****. Master of Puppets was the best Metallica album in my oppinion, but Kill 'Em All and Ride The Lightning started something.
As far as the Nirvana argument....... It must have been about '90ish, I know it was prior to Nevermind, A friend gave me a cassette of a band from Seattle (turned out to be a copy of bleach). I listened to it not even knowing what it was. It changed my tastes for a long time afterward. I never even figured out who it was until I saw Bleach on a shelf, bought it and realized I already had it. Years went by with me thinking I was the worlds biggest Nirvana fan. I think In Utero was thier best work. Well, I had a few friends that also liked them, it didn't seem to be as huge as it ended up being. After Kurt did his thing in '94, it seemed that Nirvana fans just started popping up everywhere. Hopping on the bandwaggon of the fan of the dead rock star ...wtfe.... Ask them questions and they couldn't answer. Whats your favorite album? Oh its the one with the naked baby.... wtfe.... Shortly afterward, the grunge/alt thing just started to annoy me. Seemed like a bunch of fakes. I'm not saying that all fans are fakes, but there are alot of them. When Nirvana came along, glam had already tied its own noose. Glam dominated the mid to late 80's, they were to much. Any pretty boy could make glam, and letting any pretty boy make glam is what killed it. At the same time as grunge, we also met Gangsta Rap. I noticed after my grunge phase passed that Grunge and Gangsta Rap had something in common with Glam. Both split the void left by Glam. Any scummy looking bum could make grunge. Any gangsta from Compton could rap. If you ask me, Nirvana had just as much impact on music as N.W.A. and Quiet Riot. They pretty much made a genre possible. Had Nirvana not laid the groundwork for "marketable" Grunge, others that followed might not have had thier chance. Did Nirvana have an impact on music? Damn right they did. It just wasn't as big as the impact made by Sabbath or Metallica.

Matt

Oh, and by the way, Happy B-Day Kurt.

General Disclaimer: Just because a lot of people you would never associate with wear a bands t-shirt does not make them bad. Theres at least three of you operating on this principle.

^^

Read the entire thing and that sums it up.

I never said they created the sound everyone knows they took the riff from SLTS from the pixies and everyone knows kurts favorite band was the melvins, he tried to mimic there style. I was only saying since there popularity many people related to his lyrics and music.

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Sabbath, easy. Every cool riff you've ever heard was done by Sabbath first and if not then they had already thought about it and decided to not use it.

BRAVO, BRAVO!

I`ve always been suspicious of people who say Bleach is Nirvana`s best album.

It`s almost like they`re trying their best to say 'look I like Nirvana but I couldn`t possibly say I like anything they did after they became successful because that would make me just like a sheep like the rest of those Nirvana fans' ... or something.Plus it only had 2 good songs on it , and one of those wasn`t theirs.

As for the Melvins , well I have only heard one of their albums and it sounded like an album full of copied Black Sabbath riffs with none of the songwriting ability and i`ve never given them a second thought since.

I have to disagree with pretty much everything there Urban.

Bleach is a more cohesive album then Nevermind, and I would call that shot even without any indication of popularity. In Utero is good, probably a more well rounded album but I'd take Bleach because of it's production sound, it's just my thing. And I never liked Incesticide so thats out. I can't find a bad song on Bleach either. I don't know how you gpt it down to 2 but I can't really see a weak point.

And I don't hear anything BS about the Melvins. You said the same thing about Kyuss, which is probably more ideal but even still it just doesn't float. There are thousands of bands who are influenced by Sabbath, or any big old school band for that matter, and too many people these days seem to think that anything that sounds like *enter 70/80's band" equates to plagarism. It's just bullshit. A similar guitar tone does not make the music the same.

I think my issue with Bleach is that around the time it came out there were loads of noisepop bands around doing that sort of thing much better than Nirvana were.
I still think that the whole Bleach popularity thing is down to the success of Nevermind rather than Bleach itself. My issue has always been if you love Bleach so much how come you`ve never heard stuff like Silverfish , Bomb Everything , Fudge Tunnel & Mega City Four who were Nirvana`s contemperaries at the time of Bleach`s release.
Now at this point people will probably call me an indie elistist snob or something because i`m slating the popular band and saying a bunch of bands on indie labels were better , but thats not the case , in fact those bands had a bigger following than Nirvana at the time , in fact Nirvana supported quite a few of them.
If people have heard those bands and still prefer Bleach then fair enough , I just think people should at least listen to some of the other stuff from the pre grunge era that Nirvana were a part of before saying whether Bleach is such a fantastic album.

As for the Melvins / Kyuss thing , well like I said i`m only basing my opinion on one album I heard 10 or 12 years ago , I know that you are in a much better position to comment on the Melvins than I am , but that was my initial impression on hearing them.I`ve been wrong before and I will be again.
As for Kyuss , I don`t mind them , in fact I own most of their stuff BUT whenever I hear them there`s always this nagging doubt in my head telling me i`d rather be listening to Black Sabbath instead, dunno why , it just happens.

As much as I hate the Beatles... I'll have to say they had the most impact.