The Band w/ the biggest impact
 

Since the 60s I think there have been many bands that changed the face of rock or suprised a lot of people.

Which band out of the following do you think had the most impact:

The Beatles
The Who
The Sex Pistols
Black Sabbath
Led Zepplin
Motley Cure :yikes:
Nirvana
Pat Boone

Although I think Black Sabbath/The Who/Led Zepplin were some of the pioneers of hard rock music, I don't believe they had the impact that Nirvana had. Nirvana pretty much killed the careers of Poison, GNR, and all the other hair metal crap that the late eighties is famous for. :eek:

This is just my opinion of course.

I'll go with The Beatles.

However, I'm baffled by the fact that you thought Nirvana had enough of an impact to make the list and that you put The Sex Pistols instead of The Stooges, The Velvet Underground, or any other Proto-Punk band.

I don't like them the most but how can you not say the Beatles?

Good point on the The Velvet Underground/Stooges. Although Kurt quoted some of his influences to be some of the early punk bands (& Blackflags), I still think Nirvana had more of a musical impact because they really didn't fit into a musical genre. Again, just my opinion.:soapbox:

Black sabbath had quite an impact too. Ozzy certainly shocked a lot of people with biting the head off the dove and the bat thing.

This is true. I think you would be hard pressed to find a 'rocker':band: that wouldn't agree that War Pigs was one of the best songs of all time.

I think everyone can pretty much agree that Nirvana just ripped off the Pixies and got really famous for doing so.

Making an impact & being an influence are not the same thing

The Velvet Underground & The Stooges did next to nothing when they were around.It took something like 10 years for those bands to be recognised for their contribution.I don`t really consider that to be an impact.And even then it`s only really Punk/Indie they had an influence on,

To me an impact is a band that just goes BANG !!!!! WE`RE HERE as soon as they get heard.As much as I hate to say it you have to go for The Beatles for that as they made a huge impact on arrival & have influenced many different genres

Dude... no way. I grew up listening to the Pixies and I really don't see a lot of similarities. The Pixies are/were a product of The Smiths or The Stooges. :crazy:

Nirvana took a lot of musical influences and added some personality. The only bad thing that came from the Nirvana years was Courtney Love (ugh).

Oh God, don't diss Nirvana, MIsfits, boo boo, and every other Nirvana obsessed person here will jump all over your back

I remember an interview with Ozzy one time, and he was asked about his musical beginnings. He said that he was listening to the radio one day, and heard the Beatles… after which, his whole outlook on music was changed forever, and he was quoted as saying, "Thank fuc*ing God for the Beatles"

IMO, the Beatles were hands-down the most influential band of all-time; as musicians, as songwriters, and as producers (George Martin getting a lot of credit here, too). As a band, they were the best all-around complete package.

Kurt Cobain admitted that he stole half his stuff from Pixies, so don't act like the Nirvana/Pixies comparison is unheard of.

I freakin' love Frank Black - I wish that I could have seen one of their reunion shows last year. His solo stuff can be hit-and-miss (especially with the Catholics), but I dig pretty much all the Pixies' stuff; However, I'd have to say my favorites are "Surfer Rosa", and "Troupe le Monde"… damn that band was good.

On this list I pick.............................................. ....THE RAMONES

Theres no direct quotes on that...The Pixies arent even the biggest influence on Nirvana overall, they really share more similarities with The Melvins and Black Flag than they do with The Pixies.

I dont really hear any real similarities between the two myself, the vocals and the guitar are not at all similar...And the songs are not quiet as agressive as Nirvanas.

I dont consider Nirvana a ripoff of The Pixies, they barely sound alike at all, and if Kurt Cobain didnt go on about how he loved The Pixies i doubt anyone would be making such a comparison, to me its just a bunch of elitist douchebags making a excuse to bring Nirvana down.

The only real similarities is the soft/loud dynamic, and Nirvana took this format form from The Pixies and took it to a whole new level, by making the music much louder and harder...And they made this style much more popular.

Either way, its NOT like The Pixies were the first band to do the soft/loud thing, Led Zeppelin have done it with several of their songs...King Crimson and Jethro Tull have done it too.

Back on topic, The Beatles had the most impact of any rock OR pop band.

Yeah but those statements are just affection viewed through hyperbole. TOOL once said "our fans would be pissed if they knew how much we stole from King Crimson".

I've heard both bands, I'd never say there was a direct rip. Bands with skill don't directly hi-jack other sounds.

Like him or not, I'd say Dylan. This guy gave people anything and everything. Anyone who can't sing worth **** that does anyway, trace that back to Dylan.

I hear a bit of John Wetton influence in Justin Chanellor's playing, and some Robert Fripp in Adam Jones...Even so, the bands two styles are still completely different.

Nirvana have many influences other than Pixies....In fact the only album with any significent Pixies influence is Nevermind, and even so theres a lot of Beatles and Sabbath influence on that record as well...Bleach is more Black Flag and Melvins influenced and In Utero is more Pavement and Jesus And Mary Chain influenced.

Out of that list...I would say the Beatles.

Motley Crue?

I accredit the Beatles with changing the face of Pop-Rock forever.
I'm suprised like others that The VU aren't on the list. They laid the foundation for what we call alternative music.

David bowie..

he made it ok for men to dress like women.. thus hair metal.. they all looked like chicks... THANKS BOWIE!!.. jk

Led Zeppelin.. they were the FIRST band to be considered metal.. (even if now there just called classic rock, back in 69, on into the 70's they were called metal.. and hardcore Rock N' Roll.)

:D

a friend once put it like this..
lep zeppelin were like the hottest underground band of the 70's....

well he said it something like that..but thats the point i think..

Motley Crue was obviously on the list as a joke.

Although I do think that The Stooges & Velvet Underground contributed to the alternative or pop/punk music, I don't think they necessarily had the biggest impact on it. Just my pathetic opinion.

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Nirvana had no skill. Cobain wrote boring, cliche lyrics and he sucked at guitar.

Dude - c'mon. You may not be a fan of Nirvana's music, or maybe you just hate the hoopla that Kurt's death has garnished (especially recently), but I don't see how any unbiased listener could listen to Nirvana and say that they had no skill.

"I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies"
Kurt Cobain

Or do you doubt that the BCC knows what they're talking about?

Of course you don't, you don't want to have to admit that they ripped them off. And Pixies songs aren't as "agressive" as Nirvana's because they never had to market themselves to Grunge loving teenagers.

You're giving Pixies way too little credit. Loud/soft wasn't the only thing they did, they merged pop music and white noise in a way that hadn't been heard since The Velvet Underground. Nirvana did this, only a good looking, angsty lead singer is far more commercial than a fat guy in a college rock band.

And Led Zep, King Crimson, and Jethro Tull may have done the soft/loud thing too, but Kurt Cobain never praised them the way he praised Pixies. Besides, Nirvana weren't even the first Grunge band, something they're so often credited with. Does that mean that everything they did was null and void (which is what you seem to be saying about Pixies with bringing up Led Zep, etc.)?

Speaking of Kurt's death, how famous do you guys think Nirvana would've been if he hadn't died? Ask anybody who was around when Nirvana got big how much bigger they got after Cobain committed suicide.

As for Nirvana not having skill, they really didn't. Cobain was a sloppy guitar player and he was an awful songwriter. The only thing that redeems Nirvana's music in my eyes is Grohl and Novoselic's tight rhythm section.

Dont take everything Cobain says seriously, he would often cut himself down for his own amusement, or the medias amusement...You should know that in REALITY, Cobain acknowledged many influences other than Pixies, and i bet your ****ing ass the idea of Nirvana being a ripoff of Pixies would have never crossed your mind if it wasnt for Cobains quote....Forget the quotes, use your ****ing ears, listen to Nirvanas music and then Pixies music, if you think they sound the same, you are deaf.

And Cobain actualy did like Crimson, i remember him saying that Red was one of his favorite albums.

Pixies innovated white noise?...Puleeze, several bands have done it before, including the Jesus and Mary Chain, Can, Sonic Youth...Even King Crimson explored the realms of noise rock with Larks Tongue In Aspic and Red...Sure Nirvana didnt innovate anything, neither did Pixies.

Bands steal all the time, Led Zeppelin did it, all punk bands did it, Pixies sure as hell did it...Its not like Nirvana are the only criminals, though they are the only band who get bashed for it on a regular basis, go figure.

I tried to be polite, but you are a motherf*cking idiot if you really believe that.

And no band lacks skill completely, everybody has skill to some degree, Cobain was average at best, his soloing was sloppy sometimes, but his rhythm playing was always clean, simple as hell, but clean...And it was his rhythm playing that was essential to the music, after all...Novoselic wasnt too skilled a bassist, but he was decent enough, and saying Grohl has no skill would simply be incorrect.

i said before Led Zeppelin had the impact.. but i change my mind kind of.. wel;l no i dunno see if you can get this..

The Yardbirds.. WHY? because they broke up Eric Clapton went on to create Cream, and Jimmy Page went on to create Led Zeppelin.. so if it wasn't for the members in The Yardbirds nor Cream or Led Zeppelin would have happened, thus future bands not having Zeppelin and Cream to look up to.. and to bring different styles.. changing music so in saying that.. i think The Yardbirds had the biggest impact..:)

Kurt Cobain was a prankster. He and Krist used to go around their home town and tag on local stores and churches things like "God is a homo".

The guy was smarter then the public eye, he would talk utter crap if he could get a kick out of other peoples gullability.

Yeah, i think ED fell for it.


Funny how Cobain can pull pranks on people long after his death. (=

I think you fell for all the hype surrounded this horribly overrated band. Pity, you sound like you actually know a thing or two about music.

Oh yeah, if you like Nirvana, you know nothing about music.

We have a common term for guys like you, elitist douchebag ring a bell?

Are you fucking kidding me? Do you have ears? I can see thinking that Nirvana aren't total ripoffs, but to say Nirvana and Pixies don't sound at ALL alike just makes it seem like you're in denial about the whole thing.

No shit bands did it before, but JAMC, Sonic Youth, and Pixies all released their most famous albums around the same time. And I'm not saying Pixies fucking invented white noise, or even played it the best, but they're probably the most well known out of all those bands, and the ones Cobain talks about the most.

I guess I should tell you now that the only band I find more overrated than Nirvana is Led Zeppelin, then.

As for the whole "Cobain is a prankster, don't take what he says seriously" thing, it doesn't make it a difference whether he joked about ripping off the Pixies, the fact is that he did do it, and the only people who deny that are Nirvana's biggest fans.

Yes, that easily explains how Nevermind when triple platinum in a matter of months.:rolleyes:

Cobain wrote angsty, cliche music for boring teenagers who were still listening to hair metal when Nirvana got big.

That's not really an insult, if that's what you were trying to do.

They were big then, but if he hadn't died do you honestly think teenagers would still be worshipping him now?

When in the hell did i say they had no similarities at all?...Dont twist my words around now.

So just because they played pranks on people I'm supposed to what, lay down and pretend like Nirvana don't sound anything like Pixies. Yeah, I think I'll just stop arguining right about now.