Oh, and what has Ex D done to not recieve your "respect"

:(

But i`m always right

No! boo boo is always right. Have you not learned?

Me: Lets continue this outside of MB, and on AIM
boo boo: sure
boo boo: I am right
boo boo: you are wrong
boo boo:end of argument


see, he even admits he is always right

For saying stuff that just isnt true.


Opinions are opinions, but Nirvana dosent sound exactly like Pixies, anyone with ears should know that...It also makes me question how much she has heard from either of these bands.

You didnt IM me to have a reasonable debate, you IMed me to call me names like "Elitist proghead", and thats why i blocked you, you were just wasting my time.

You also need to stop taking everything i say so seriously.

I dont belive that I call you an elitist prohead, until after you said what I posted. And what could lead me to think you are elitist ......

Well, you also admited to not even knowing any progheads other than me and LesPaul43. ;)

You havent talked to progheads about prog nonstop, you havent posted on prog forums...So how would you know which prog fans are elitist and which ones are not??...You are just generalising.

I'd have to say The Ramones had a pretty big impact. Made simple guitar riffs cool and 2 minute songs cooler than rock operas.

I like LesPaul, and I didnt admit to not knowing any others. If I had given you names, would it have meant more?

The point is, look at any thread where someone says they do not like Nirvana, you jump to the rescue

I think that BungalowBill is very ignorant and he is stereotyping a fan of prog as an elitist because thats the name a lot of prog bands got...and he picked you out of the crowd because you are the most knowledged out of the crew

I`ve said Nirvana were sh*t loads of times. I can`t ever recall boo boo giving me a hard time over it

I also am not a fan of Nirvana...never gotten a hard time for it

well gee boo boo, why do you pick certain people to start **** with?
Is it because I have been here less time then you, so therefore you feel like less of an idiot for being an elitist prick

Why should i?...You call a lot of bands i like sh*t, after all. ;)

The Who were also a pretty infuliencial band, but not in spelling. Pete started Rock Operas, and made some cool ones. And some of their songs talked about issues that were going on during their time. (laugh at the ignorant sounding statement, but Pictures of Lily is about materbating)

I think that Camel is hugely influencial being one of the earlier prog bands

If you cant figure out why i dont like you, theres no need to continue this discussion.

Urban and _Lespual don't post them in eltist and overly condescending ways, nor do they turn around and say "but boo boo and misfits etc.." thats probaly why he doesnt react to them because they present them in a nice manner and I realize I said i was out of this but bleh, this needed to be said. If your going to act like an condescending music snob towards bands, expect to be flamed. This being said the arguement should end now and continue in PMs, infact it should've ended pages ago when expletive D and boo boo dropped it but yes it stops now.


I also agree with the who and the ramones. Crass in the punk scene they did alot of for DIY. The clash also did quite a bit with how varied they were.

Well, I know exactly why I don't like you.
You are an elitist fucking idiot.

And you know what? If they ban me for this, I don't care. I haven't called you anything different from what you said to me or Ex D, and it will just prove that the mods play favorites

I see nothing "condecending" about this

But didnt Camel debut in like 71 or 72?....There are prog bands before that...I think the earliest prog bands were The Moody Blues, Vanilla Fudge, The Nice, Traffic, Soft Machine and Procol Harum...And influencial bands like King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Genesis and Yes all started in 68/69.

Pink Floyd could count as one of the first prog bands since they debuted in 66, though their early material was more on psychedelic rock than prog, it wasnt until Gilmour joined that they became more of a prog band.

Misfits were very DIY with Danzig (spelling?). I know some people don't want to admit it but Green Day has had an impact. They are what got me interested into punk, and then that got me into politically charged music, which led to rap, and reggae.


Oh, RATM shook things up quite a bit in the 90s.

Alot of the 90s pop punk (blink,bowling for soup,green day etc..) acts got people into punk, they're pretty much the gateway groups.

Yeah...With the pink floyd there earliest stuff Piper at the gates of dawn and etc had prog elements but very overpowering phycadelics

Hey I gave you credit for changing my opinion of ELP

What more do you want? Blood? ;)

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Psychedelic is goooood. Pink Floyd would have been one of the groups to put a spring in that genres step too, Grateful Dead were tampering with psychedelica in the mid 60's and it was around the late 60's that psychedelic was the new form of popular rock for bands. I haven't heard much of Floyds earliest stuff, it still would have to have been fairly progressive though wouldn't it?

Oh they have always had progressive elements, for sure, but they didnt really gain a reputation as a progressive rock band until the 70s.

And a lot of pyschedlic bands had progressive elements...The Doors and Jefferson Airplane included...But this dosent make them prog, of course.

Piper At The Gates Of Dawn is a psychedlic rock album when you get down to it, though there are still a handful of progressive elements, so it could fall into the "prog" category as well...Though Saucerful Of Secrets had some progressive elements that Piper didnt.

Touche', I hear ya.

i cant understand how anyone can disagree with the beatles having the biggest impact. even in terms of psychedelia the beatles are the band that elevated this sub-genre to the public conscious. considering the terminology "psychedelia" in a musical context has been around since the Holy Modal Rounders in 1964 it wasnt until the release of sgt. peppers in 1967 that it became a mainstream phenomenon - much like nevermind did for grunge.

Jesus Christ.

1: Logical argument with an insult thrown in.
2: Logical argument ignored, insult is picked at.
3. Repetition of logical argument.
4. Ignoral of logical argument on the grounds of elitism.
5. Repeat.

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Edit: I skipped a couple pages. Best to let sleeping dogs lie... Yep the Beatles certainly changed everything. :)

thank you providing us with a narrative overview.

:clap: WOOooooo!

I would say Nirvana, Black Sabbath, Green Day, Pink Floyd, and Slayer.

Slayer haven't done that much. They've influenced quite a few metal bands around but hardly a huge overall impact.
Green Day have hardly had time to impact on a mass scale. They weren't exactly glamourised for their earlier better stuff, while their later stuff is getting all the glory but it isn't that flash, it just suits the trends of modern punk pop rock today, a trend which will hopefully mature sometime soon.

The others are good and worthy contributors to a mass of music but I'd again stick with the Beatles. Analogy: A building would crumble without a solid foundation. The foundation for bands started with the Beatles.

Thats the way I see it anyway, sure there were others and some are more interesting musically then the Beatles but there simply had to be some band which truely was considered the building blocks for the bands of today, and to me thats the Beatles.

Green day also stole their sound from the 70s punk movement and on terms of influence the Ramones beat Green Day anyday.

I think impact depends on the genre (or culture) someone helped popularize, so looking at it that way, i would say.

Rock N Roll - Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley.
Hard rock - Rolling Stones, Cream, The Who, Led Zeppelin.
Pop - Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna.
Funk - James Brown, Funkadelix, Sly & Family Stone.
Soul/R&B - Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin.
Thrash/Speed Metal - Metallica, Pantera, Slayer.
Metal - Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest.
Pop Metal - Van Halen, Def Leppard, Motley Crue.
Punk - The Ramones, The Clash, The Sex Pistols.
Hardcore - Misfits, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys.
Pop Punk - Green Day, Blink 182.
Prog - Pink Floyd, Yes, King Crimson.
Alternative Rock - Velvet Underground, The Smiths, REM, U2.
Indie Rock - Sonic Youth, Pixies, Pavement, My Bloody Valentine.
Grunge - Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden.
New Wave - Blondie, Talking Heads, Devo.
Electronic - Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, Depeche Mode.
Disco - Bee Gees, ABBA, Donna Summer.
Psychedelic - Jefferson Airplane, The Doors, Love, Jimi Hendrix.
Jam Bands - Grateful Dead, Phish.
Country Rock - The Eagles, Gram Parsons.
Southern Rock - Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allman Brothers Band, CCR.
Goth Rock - The Cure, Joy Division, Shoixie and The Banshees.
Reggae - Bob Marley, Jimmy Cliff, Peter Tosh.
Pop Rock - Fleetwood Mac, Rod Stewart, Steely Dan, Rod Stewart.
AOR - Boston, Meat Loaf, Journey.
Folk Rock - Bob Dylan, The Byrds.
Rap/Hip Hop - Public Enemy, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, NWA.
Glam Rock - David Bowie, T Rex, Mott The Hoople, Iggy Pop.
Britpop - Radiohead, Oasis, Manic Street Preachers.
Trip Hop - Portishead, Massive Attack.
Rock Music In General - The Beatles.

Well you get the point, i could cover every genre in existence, but i think i've done enough. :D

Wow......plain and simple huh heh....well....I believe most of those are pretty much correct and would entirely agree with all of them....but not the rock music in general lol just no

I didnt mean ALL rock music, its just that The Beatles have influenced many genres, that it would take a while to list them all, so im basicly saying that ever since the 60s, pretty much every genre of rock music has had some influence from The Beatles in one why or another.