The Official Nirvana/Kurt Cobain Thread (singer, indie, punk, rock)

boo boo · 10-01-2006, 05:13 PM

This is really going nowhere.

The Melvins had Kurt Cobain co-produce an album for them, which alone signifies that they may have been going for a sound not too much unlike what Nirvana were doing.

That probably dosen't outright qualify as musical influence (probably not) but it counts as something at least.

~~hiu~~ · 10-01-2006, 05:22 PM

Kurt Cobain auditioned for their band and failed. They just let him be co-producer because they were friendly and didn't want him to feel bad. Lets not forget the Melvins released music in 1986 of the similar style as to what they did on Houdini which Kurt helped produce which is some 7 years later.

boo boo · 10-01-2006, 05:24 PM

Maybe so, but the concept of Nirvana influencing The Melvins in some minor way at least shouldn't be ruled out, especially when there is very little to prove it true or false.

~~hiu~~ · 10-01-2006, 05:33 PM

Of course but coving a bands song doesn't mean you are influenced by them, which is what Raine is saying.

boo boo · 10-01-2006, 05:59 PM

True, but I doubt anyone would cover a band and not have some kind of respect for them in some way, unless of course if the cover was intended as a parody.

Merkaba · 10-01-2006, 07:43 PM

Of course there was the respect. Crover was (still is?) good mates with Grohl, Crover is how Grohl came to be a part of Nirvana, and Crover also played in a band with Kurt prior to both the formation of the Melvins and Nirvana. The two bands definitely had quite strong ties.

But I'd have to argue that the Melvins were proportionately more influential upon Nirvana than Nirvana was the Melvins.

boo boo · 10-01-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Merkaba

But I'd have to argue that the Melvins were proportionately more influential upon Nirvana than Nirvana was the Melvins.

Well that's already pretty obvious.

cardboard adolescent · 10-12-2006, 01:56 PM

The Ramones knew they weren't great musicians but they also knew music was about more than technical ability. Joe Strummer voiced his concerns to Johnny Ramone that he didn't think the band was good enough musically to perform at CBGB but Johnny told him who gives a ****? Punk was always more about attitude, delivery, and the message than technical ability. And of course crafting kick-ass tunes.

But I don't know why I'm making the same points that have been brought up so many times. I'm just fueling this goddamn redundancy.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-12-2006, 10:51 PM

Yeah that does bug me somewhat.

'All AC/DC songs sound the same blah blah blah'

They`re a 12 bar boogie pub band , what the hell do you expect.

boo boo · 10-13-2006, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Yeah that does bug me somewhat.

'All AC/DC songs sound the same blah blah blah'

They`re a 12 bar boogie pub band , what the hell do you expect.

And chances are they are they like a bunch of punk/indie/metal bands that are just as repetitive.

Thing with me, I find pretty much all Rock N Roll repetitive, and AC/DC and The Ramones are repetitive because they're Rock N Roll, simple as that.

As for Nirvana, I don't see them as being that repetitive at all, at least not more than the typical metal band, and most people who do hate Nirvana and call them repetitive are metalheads, which is pretty damn ironic.

But thats the thing, any band with a consistant sound/style can be called repetitive, hell, I know a lot of metalheads who think Radiohead are repetitive even though they are always experiementing in some way or another.

I think some genres are just more repetitive than others.

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10-01-2006, 05:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,093	Kurt Cobain auditioned for their band and failed. They just let him be co-producer because they were friendly and didn't want him to feel bad. Lets not forget the Melvins released music in 1986 of the similar style as to what they did on Houdini which Kurt helped produce which is some 7 years later.

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~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,093	Of course but coving a bands song doesn't mean you are influenced by them, which is what Raine is saying.

10-12-2006, 01:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,511	The Ramones knew they weren't great musicians but they also knew music was about more than technical ability. Joe Strummer voiced his concerns to Johnny Ramone that he didn't think the band was good enough musically to perform at CBGB but Johnny told him who gives a ****? Punk was always more about attitude, delivery, and the message than technical ability. And of course crafting kick-ass tunes. But I don't know why I'm making the same points that have been brought up so many times. I'm just fueling this goddamn redundancy.