So just what IS "ROCK" in the main forum sense these days?! (electronic, jazz)

[Civic Depreciator]

Originally Posted by Laughing Boy

Change my post to say Britney Spears or Ashlee Simpson, it doesn't change the fact they're not rock. I'm digressing. Point is pop isn't a sub-genre of rock. Indie isn't either.

Actually, Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson are rock artists. Rihanna is r&b. Neither of them are pop, either. Ashlee Simpson is teen pop and pop/rock while Britney Spears is dance-pop, teen pop, and pop/rock. The kind of pop I'm talking about when I say pop is artists like The Association, Burt Bacharach, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, and The Box Tops. That is pop. Indie is far too narrow to be it's own genre. And indie artists end up being rock artists anyways.

[Laughing Boy]

Originally Posted by Slint

Actually, Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson are rock artists. Rihanna is r&b. Neither of them are pop, either. Ashlee Simpson is teen pop and pop/rock while Britney Spears is dance-pop, teen pop, and pop/rock. The kind of pop I'm talking about when I say pop is artists like The Association, Burt Bacharach, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, and The Box Tops. That is pop. Indie is far too narrow to be it's own genre. And indie artists end up being rock artists anyways.

How are they rock? Also since when is teen pop a genre? And if it is how isn't it essentially pop? You seem pretty anal.

Indie is just a shortened version of independent. There's nothing rock about that whatsoever because there's no set sound to being independent.

[Civic Depreciator]

Originally Posted by Laughing Boy

How are they rock? Also since when is teen pop a genre? And if it is how isn't it essentially pop? You seem pretty anal.

Indie is just a shortened version of independent. There's nothing rock about that whatsoever because there's no set sound to being independent.

Dance music is a style of rock music, the kind that Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson make. Teen pop isn't a genre, it's a style of rock music. I figured the name teen pop would be pretty self-explanatory, but I guess not. Teen pop, is dance-pop, pop, and urban that is geared toward teens and often performed by teens as well. Pop is more broad, music based on memorable melodies, repeated sections, and tight, concise structures. About the indie comment, take a peak at our "Indie & Alternative Forum" and tell me how many of those bands are independent, unsigned acts. Not very many, if any, of them. The term indie is rarely every associated with independent anymore. It has come to accept a sound of it's own.

[Laughing Boy]

Originally Posted by Slint

Dance music is a style of rock music, the kind that Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson make. Teen pop isn't a genre, it's a style of rock music. I figured the name teen pop would be pretty self-explanatory, but I guess not. Teen pop, is dance-pop, pop, and urban that is geared toward teens and often performed by teens as well. Pop is more broad, music based on memorable melodies, repeated sections, and tight, concise structures.

Wow you're way out of my league. Sorry for questioning you, I'm going to go listen to some middle aged balding females with mustaches pop now. Peace out.

[Dr_Rez]

Haha i was trying to be.

Did not work to well though i guess.

[ProggyMan]

Nah, I lol'ed I just couldn't tell if you were serious.

[Laughing Boy]

Hip hops roots are in jazz and soul, most importantly Gil Scott-Heron. It's not a form of rock at all and wasn't born out of it either. I wish people would stop thinking rock is THE genre.

[Rainard Jalen]

Originally Posted by Laughing Boy

Hip hops roots are in jazz and soul, most importantly Gil Scott-Heron. It's not a form of rock at all and wasn't born out of it either.

That was not my point. My point was, if somebody wishes to give too broad a definition to rock, one could (if they really tried) even identify influences for hip hop music in the rock movement. Which of course would be a ridiculous step.

I wish people would stop thinking rock is THE genre.

That was my point.

[Demonoid]

Get ready boys and girls...for another 50 page genre argument.




On a side note, i do agree with the sub forum upto an extent.
Rock & metal are just too broad imo.
But then, i don't agree with the rest just termed as 'rock'.
Metal can have its own section as well, and maybe keep the rest as...modern rock?(IDK, too many sub genres here as well)

[Civic Depreciator]

Originally Posted by Demonoid

Get ready boys and girls...for another 50 page genre argument.




On a side note, i do agree with the sub forum upto an extent.
Rock & metal are just too broad imo.
But then, i don't agree with the rest just termed as 'rock'.
Metal can have its own section as well, and maybe keep the rest as...modern rock?(IDK, too many sub genres here as well)

They are all rock that I listed though. Metal is most definitely a form of rock, and anyone who can't hear that is deaf. Modern rock isn't very descripitive. There are many different styles of rock that could be modern rock these days.