The Official Metallica Thread (drum, bass, cd, genre, albums)

[Stone Magnet]

Originally Posted by judas_priest

Solos are unimportant? They're one of the most important parts of a metal song in my opinion.

A great solo can add a lot to a song, but not having a solo doesn't take anything away from one. I used to listen to a lot of thrash metal and I loved the lightning-fast guitar solos in every song, but I eventually came to recognize their banality and worthlessness. Putting a guitar solo in a song for the sake of having a guitar solo in the song is a bit ridiculous. So many thrash musicians seem to believe that it's imperative for every one of their songs to have a guitar solo in it, whether or not the guitar solo encompasses any sort of emotion.

An album packed with guitar solos that append nothing is much worse than an album with no guitar solos.

I wouldn't really class St Anger as a metal album.

I'd love a good explanation as to how St. Anger is not a metal album.

[PostPsychosis666]

Either way this argument goes, Metallica is still a metal band (the best ever, that is ) , And metal bands progress, i mean, look at Pantera if you want to see a good example. Im not saying bands always progress in the right way, or in the way i want them to (St.Anger), but non-the-less, every band seems to progress.

Now to get back to what the poll is about... Do I Think Metallica Can produce a good album? Yes, i do, especially with Rick Ruban producing. He is an amazing producer, you can see that in his works with slayer, slipknot, and even softer bands like Red Hot Chilli Peppers. I really hope Lars tones it way down (to 0, if possible) on the trash can **** that he did on St.Anger.
I really hope they dont over-think this new album, becaise thats what i personally think is wrong with St.Anger, they even said that they "wanted it to sound like a garage band that just got togather" , and they tried different things, which is OK, but now they see thats its not well recepted.
I am not expecting a new Ride the Lighting, or MOP, i am expecting a good solid METAL album.

[hoss diggity]

Originally Posted by - Smack -

^they are getting there..

but i'm still a fan LoL

go to all thier concerts still..

i agree, they put one hell of a show. but the old stuff is way better than their newer stuff

[Blain]

I'm not sure what you guys think, but they should kind of have a reunion type song, I wouldn't think Metallica would be around for much longer and they should for the last song on their last album ahve like a "Leaving Song" and get all their previous members (Dave Mustaine etc) and ask them to do a final song, but wouldnt that be great? I mean Kirk and Dave doing a massive riff together, all their bassists doing stuff together, like sure it would take months to get it organised but metal gods like them I'm sure they could do it

[Frances]

Originally Posted by Blainka

I'm not sure what you guys think, but they should kind of have a reunion type song, I wouldn't think Metallica would be around for much longer and they should for the last song on their last album ahve like a "Leaving Song" and get all their previous members (Dave Mustaine etc) and ask them to do a final song, but wouldnt that be great? I mean Kirk and Dave doing a massive riff together, all their bassists doing stuff together, like sure it would take months to get it organised but metal gods like them I'm sure they could do it

[Blain]

Meh just an idea....****head-.-

[Frances]

Hey! don't pull out the steel man!

[judas_priest]

Originally Posted by Blainka

I'm not sure what you guys think, but they should kind of have a reunion type song, I wouldn't think Metallica would be around for much longer and they should for the last song on their last album ahve like a "Leaving Song" and get all their previous members (Dave Mustaine etc) and ask them to do a final song, but wouldnt that be great? I mean Kirk and Dave doing a massive riff together, all their bassists doing stuff together, like sure it would take months to get it organised but metal gods like them I'm sure they could do it

Yeah, Mustaine is brilliant but it wouldn't be much of a re-union without Cliff...

[Blain]

I said all of the ex-members of Metallica

[PostPsychosis]

Originally Posted by Stone Magnet

No it isn't. The drums just sound like shit.


Nu-metal is 'stock' riffs with tedious drumming, inaudible bass, and some fat, bald Phil Anselmo wannabe doing vocals. St. Anger was not a nu-metal record. Most of the riffs are great, and despite the shitty drum sound, Lars is drumming his ass off on the album. The bass could have been better, but what do you expect? Rob wasn't even in the band until after the album was recorded. It may not be Metallica's best record, but it is a step in the right direction. At least they're a metal band once again. Load and Reload were not metal albums. I like them, but they were not metal albums.


So if it has no solos, it's automatically nu-metal, and it's automatically not good? Give me a break. Solos are unimportant.


Apparently you don't play guitar. Not one song on the album is in Drop D tuning, and even if there was a song in Drop D tuning, why would it matter? The tuning does not determine the genre of the music, and it certainly does not determine whether or not the music is good.


Well at least you've got one thing right.


Read.

And for Christ sake, quit expecting Master Of Puppets II every time Metallica releases an album. St. Anger is not Master Of Puppets, Ride The Lightning is not Load, Reload is not Kill 'Em All, ...And Justice For All is not Garage, Inc. Many of you 'metalheads' may not be used to bands doing this, but Metallica changes between releases. Metallica are divergent from your conventional thrash metal band. There are recognizable differences between each album.

Does St. Anger sound exactly the same as Kill 'Em All? No, but the attitude behind each album is correlative.

Wow I never ever said that Nu metal was defined by guitar solos. And actually i do play guitar, and not only that I own the OFFICIAL ST ANGER TAB BOOK most of the songs are drop D down a step, with some others being drop D down a step and a half. But you don't have to have the book to know that, just watch the DVD that comes with the CD and you can see that all the power chords are being played with one finger, so if you play guitar my friend, you must be horrible. I couple of things I've said about St. Anger (maybe not on this forum) is that I don't expect MOP or the old stuff, I like it when bands take a chance and go somewhere new, just not somewhere nu. I think Lars did a great job of drumming but the recording was horrendous on it. The riffs were interchangeable for the most part and it got repetitive. When all you've got is verse chorus verse chorus bridge verse chorus, the song shouldn't be 8 minutes long, it should be about 4.

Also you've contradicted yourself a few times, saying my only criteria for it being nu metal was the absence of solos, but then saying I also used the tuning of the guitars as criteria. If you want a good way of telling if it's nu metal, it's probaly drop D (which St. Anger is in, drop your E string next time you play Frantic, i gurantee you it will sound less ****ty). However I know the rule doesn't always stick, there are drop D songs that aren't nu metal, some Pantera for example, and some nu metal I'm sure somewhere that uses standard tuning. Also their are nu metal bands that have guitar solos, such as Slipknot and Disturbed's last albums, however this is the exception not the rule.

Also the tuning on most of the songs on St. Anger C-G-C-F-A-D
But you should know that, I guess I might as well call you on it...
What is drop d tuning?