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Janszoon 05-22-2011 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1057817)
Dopesmoker is an ambition project. A one song hour long EP, I will give it that. But I will take SHM over it, but I will take DS over Jerualem.

I am also biased cause I am not huge on most stoner metal, and with every passing day am outgrowing metal in general, but I do like some select stuff.

Dopesmoker actually has two songs on it though I agree the title track is the more relevant one. And Jerusalem is just the song "Dopesmoker" so I'm not sure why you're making such a distinction between the two albums.

BastardofYoung 05-22-2011 12:26 PM

Yeah, the two are the same album... but two versions of I feel.

I meant that out of the 2 DS was the better recorded version.

Unknown Soldier 05-22-2011 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1057786)
I think Doom is only easy to define if you stick to older style bands like Cathedral, St. Vitus, etc.. But when you consider it's multiple subgenres Doom is the most varied of the three. I mean Stoner Doom, Funeral Doom and Drone Doom are all pretty different from each other.


It's interesting, you're looking at Sludge from a totally different angle from me. I don't disagree with the bands you've picked as examples but I think of them as on the Stoner edge of Sludge. When I think of Sludge the first bands that come to mind are the likes of Iron Monkey or Noothgrush.


I'll split the difference and agree they have some songs that have the sluggish quality you're talking about where I could see a connection to Stoner Metal. Overall, though, I wouldn't put them in that category.

Doom is fairly straightforward unless you go into its subgenres, in fact most modern day doom metal bands have actually evolved their sound to incorporate sludge and stoner elements due to their greater diversity.

I certainly look at sludge differently to you, because when I think of sludge I think the Melvins, Corrosion of Conformity and Down. I don`t actually like Crowbar and Iron Monkey that much, because of the stronger hardcore punk influence that they have!!!

Unknown Soldier 05-22-2011 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1057779)
That Sleep was better than anything Matt Pike did with High on Fire.

Sleep`s Holy Mountain is a classic album and I`d say slightly better than the best 2 albums put out by High on Fire "Blessed Black Wings" and "Death is This Communion" But overall the output of High on Fire is consistently better than that of Sleep.

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1057817)
I am also biased cause I am not huge on most stoner metal, and with every passing day am outgrowing metal in general, but I do like some select stuff.

Why are you outgrowing it? What other types of music do you think can offer you more?

Dr_Rez 05-22-2011 09:56 PM

I raise you one Electric Wizard.

Janszoon 05-22-2011 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 1058012)
I raise you one Electric Wizard.

That's pretty hard to beat.

crash_override 05-23-2011 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 1058012)
I raise you one Electric Wizard.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1058023)
That's pretty hard to beat.

Not really, just find band that tunes their instruments properly and is at least somewhat tolerable to listen to. Easy day.

Janszoon 05-23-2011 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override (Post 1058157)
Not really, just find band that tunes their instruments properly and is at least somewhat tolerable to listen to. Easy day.

I'll go with the awesomeness that is Electric Wizard over a "somewhat tolerable" band any day of the week, thanks.

FRED HALE SR. 05-23-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1057848)
Sleep`s Holy Mountain is a classic album and I`d say slightly better than the best 2 albums put out by High on Fire "Blessed Black Wings" and "Death is This Communion" But overall the output of High on Fire is consistently better than that of Sleep.

Surrounded by Thieves is a better album than Death is This Communion I.M.O.

Why are you outgrowing it? What other types of music do you think can offer you more?

Its certainly an ever growing genre with an endless supply of bands.

Out of that genre I think one of my favorites has gotta be Black Tusk, i like the dual vocals and the fact they kind of stray from the idiotic guitar solos that some people feel obligated to play.

BastardofYoung 05-23-2011 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1057848)
Sleep`s Holy Mountain is a classic album and I`d say slightly better than the best 2 albums put out by High on Fire "Blessed Black Wings" and "Death is This Communion" But overall the output of High on Fire is consistently better than that of Sleep.



Why are you outgrowing it? What other types of music do you think can offer you more?

I just mean, I used to sit around and listen to a lot of metal, and lately I have just been getting more and more bored with the majority of it. Good style, full of some great instrumentation... but lyrical content and macho posturing and cliches that haunt the genre just get to me.

I listen to a lot of the old death metal and now after hearing it a few times, just loses impact to me.

Slowly I lose more and more interest.


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