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hip hop bunny hop 05-22-2011 09:50 AM

Sludge, stoner, doom - where is the profit in seperating these genres out? Why not simply call them "Doom"? It describes both the tone and the tempo, and is inclusive of both the rock and metal ends of the spectrum.

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As for High on Fire I`ll agree they are faster than I thought with a heavy Motorhead influence and touches of Slayer. But they do have a sluggish heavy Kyuss type sound as well which underpins everything. For that reason I`d still classify them as a stoner metal band with a faster sound. The drumming is about as intense as that of say Mastodon
Or we could just say High on Fire is what hard rock sounds like 20 years after Motorhead, Metallica, Black Sabbath (etc.) have become radio mainstays.

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Do you guys think anything by Korn or Rage Against The Machine is worth buying?
Buying? Absolutely not. Pirate if you want, but I would not recommend buying anything from these guys. They've made fistfulls of cash anyways, and the music isn't all that memorable.

Unknown Soldier 05-22-2011 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1057755)
Sludge, stoner, doom - where is the profit in seperating these genres out? Why not simply call them "Doom"? It describes both the tone and the tempo, and is inclusive of both the rock and metal ends of the spectrum.


Or we could just say High on Fire is what hard rock sounds like 20 years after Motorhead, Metallica, Black Sabbath (etc.) have become radio mainstays.

Based on this logic we could also umbrella thrash, death and black metal as well, as they all have a similiar tone and tempo. But if we did this we would lose the identify and differences between the three genres!!! the same logic also applies to sludge, stoner and doom.

I agree that High on Fire could be described as an amalgamation of the bands that you`ve listed and for this reason we could just call them heavy metal and nothing else.

BastardofYoung 05-22-2011 11:05 AM

Sleep > High on Fire.

fact.

Unknown Soldier 05-22-2011 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1057775)
Sleep > High on Fire.

fact.

What is the fact?

BastardofYoung 05-22-2011 11:08 AM

That Sleep was better than anything Matt Pike did with High on Fire.

Janszoon 05-22-2011 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1057748)
Interesting take on the three, but there are a number of aspects I`d raise though.

Doom- I actually think this is the easiest to define, its the slowest of the three and draws its line of descent directly from Black Sabbath and its the least varied of the three. Typical bands are Electric Wizard, Cathedral, Candlemass and American bands Pentagram and Saint Vitus (both of these groups are not as heavy though, probably to do with the fact that they were formed in the 70`s).

I think Doom is only easy to define if you stick to older style bands like Cathedral, St. Vitus, etc.. But when you consider it's multiple subgenres Doom is the most varied of the three. I mean Stoner Doom, Funeral Doom and Drone Doom are all pretty different from each other.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1057748)
Sludge- My fav of the three largely due to its influences from southern rock, blues etc and as said there is also a hardcore element typical in some of the bands like Crowbar. Typical bands are Corrosion of Conformity, Eyehategod, Down and of course the Melvins the best band, despite having a highly experimental edge.

It's interesting, you're looking at Sludge from a totally different angle from me. I don't disagree with the bands you've picked as examples but I think of them as on the Stoner edge of Sludge. When I think of Sludge the first bands that come to mind are the likes of Iron Monkey or Noothgrush.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1057748)
Stoner- Again covers a wide field and along with blues influences, the psychedelic element is very evident, without doubt not as slow as the other two genres and bands in this genre can also be described as stoner rock such as Monster Magnet or desert rock, I`d also say that bands like Blue Cheer and Blue Oyster Cult were very early purveyors of this sound. Typical bands are Kyuss and Sleep.

Well here's one we agree on. Mostly. :)

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1057748)
As for High on Fire I`ll agree they are faster than I thought with a heavy Motorhead influence and touches of Slayer. But they do have a sluggish heavy Kyuss type sound as well which underpins everything. For that reason I`d still classify them as a stoner metal band with a faster sound. The drumming is about as intense as that of say Mastodon

I'll split the difference and agree they have some songs that have the sluggish quality you're talking about where I could see a connection to Stoner Metal. Overall, though, I wouldn't put them in that category.

Janszoon 05-22-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1057779)
That Sleep was better than anything Matt Pike did with High on Fire.

The only area where Sleep beats High on Fire is Dopesmoker being better than early High of Fire albums. Death is this Communion, on the other hand, is better than anything Sleep ever released.

BastardofYoung 05-22-2011 12:05 PM

Sleep's Holy Mountain was better than "Dopesmoker".

Janszoon 05-22-2011 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1057814)
Sleep's Holy Mountain was better than "Dopesmoker".

I completely and utterly disagree.

BastardofYoung 05-22-2011 12:11 PM

Dopesmoker is an ambition project. A one song hour long EP, I will give it that. But I will take SHM over it, but I will take DS over Jerualem.

I am also biased cause I am not huge on most stoner metal, and with every passing day am outgrowing metal in general, but I do like some select stuff.


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