(Rapcore),Genre Raprock,origin:Punk

**Janszoon** · 09-15-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder

Anthrax was pretty early in the game too with Attack of the Killer B's in 1991.

Don't forget about "I'm the Man" in 1987 too!

Engine · 09-15-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Don't forget about "I'm the Man" in 1987 too!

I can never forget that. I had the EP on tape like over 20 years ago and listened to it way too many times. Generally I don't like the rap/rock but I love this

Necromancer · 09-16-2010, 11:47 AM

We all recognize the pattern of musical genres that have contributed to the development of new genres, how new genres have emerged from existing genres and how multiple genres have contributed to a new genre and so on, bla, bla.
Independant opinions free from the influence of/or the attempt to "google" for the information is what I find the most interesting, and thats what I am looking for when I visit different music forums.
I find the Rap Rock genre interesting and all, but I really have a hard time connecting the originality of Raprock evolving from the Punk genre?
It would seem common that bands like The Clash, etc. would of course play a major part in music as a whole, but I am not very well versed in the Punk genre, I actually dont know very much about bands like The Clash and so on, so the question I am asking is, "what is your opinion"? concerning the Punk genre as the origin of Rap Rock, who are some of the major Punk Rock bands of influence? (Thanks in advance).

Urban Hat€monger ? · 09-16-2010, 01:08 PM

I think The Fall's collaboration with Coldcut is always shamefully overlooked in these situations. The whole song is basically made from a sample taken from the Lisa Stansfield song My Telephone.

This also pre-dates all the other videos in this thread other than the Anthrax one. I mean how many straight guitar/drum/bass rock bands do you know were sampling other bands in 1990 ?

Unknown Soldier · 09-16-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass

We all recognize the pattern of musical genres that have contributed to the development of new genres, how new genres have emerged from existing genres and how multiple genres have contributed to a new genre and so on, bla, bla.
Independant opinions free from the influence of/or the attempt to "google" for the information is what I find the most interesting, and thats what I am looking for when I visit different music forums.
I find the Rap Rock genre interesting and all, but I really have a hard time connecting the originality of Raprock evolving from the Punk genre?
It would seem common that bands like The Clash, etc. would of course play a major part in music as a whole, but I am not very well versed in the Punk genre, I actually dont know very much about bands like The Clash and so on, so the question I am asking is, "what is your opinion"? concerning the Punk genre as the origin of Rap Rock, who are some of the major Punk Rock bands of influence? (Thanks in advance).

In reference to the Clash try listening to both "London Calling" and "Sandinista" the group cover a whole range of musical styles and I`m sure you`ll find some inspiration there. As for other stuff, well the obvious stuff like the Sex Pistols and the Ramones that will give you the two sides of punk (Anarchaic and cartoony) and if you want to go back further then look no further than Iggy Pop and the Stooges. Like you I`m not that much into punk, so somebody else may give you better answers. Another group of interest are the Cramps with their psychobilly style.

Maribel · 09-16-2010, 01:41 PM

I've always thought Rap/Rock can be awesome if done right, like the Public Enemy/Anthrax team up or the Beastie Boys' "Sabotage".

Too bad a lot of the bands that did mix the two ended up being total crap (Limp Bizkit and their nu-metal ilk).

sidewinder · 09-16-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Don't forget about "I'm the Man" in 1987 too!

Doh good call, can't believe I forgot about that.

dankrsta · 09-19-2010, 04:55 AM

The only bands that I used to like, that can be called 'raprock' or 'rapcore' are Beastie Boys (well I still like them) and Body Count. As I remember Beastie Boys started as a hardcore punk band and as they developed to a rap group, they retained that rocking, grooving sensibility. So, can they be put in this genre, at least some of their work?

Necromancer · 09-21-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dankrsta

The only bands that I used to like, that can be called 'raprock' or 'rapcore' are Beastie Boys (well I still like them) and Body Count. As I remember Beastie Boys started as a hardcore punk band and as they developed to a rap group, they retained that rocking, grooving sensibility. So, can they be put in this genre, at least some of their work?

YouTube - Beastie Boys - Sabotage (1994)

No Sleep Til Brooklyn, the third single on their debut studio album Licensed to Ill, the name of the song itself is a play on Motörhead's No Sleep 'til Hammersmith album.
The song interpolates "T.N.T." by AC/DC (though tuned in a different way), the video, is a parody of glam metal.

YouTube - The Beastie Boys - No Sleep Till Brooklyn (1987)

sidewinder · 09-22-2010, 12:06 AM

Now we're reaching way back...Beastie Boys' No Sleep Till Brooklyn and Fight For Your Right are definitely OG rap/rock songs.

09-16-2010, 11:47 AM	#13 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	The genealogy of the Rap Rock genre. We all recognize the pattern of musical genres that have contributed to the development of new genres, how new genres have emerged from existing genres and how multiple genres have contributed to a new genre and so on, bla, bla. Independant opinions free from the influence of/or the attempt to "google" for the information is what I find the most interesting, and thats what I am looking for when I visit different music forums. I find the Rap Rock genre interesting and all, but I really have a hard time connecting the originality of Raprock evolving from the Punk genre? It would seem common that bands like The Clash, etc. would of course play a major part in music as a whole, but I am not very well versed in the Punk genre, I actually dont know very much about bands like The Clash and so on, so the question I am asking is, "what is your opinion"? concerning the Punk genre as the origin of Rap Rock, who are some of the major Punk Rock bands of influence? (Thanks in advance).

09-16-2010, 01:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I think The Fall's collaboration with Coldcut is always shamefully overlooked in these situations. The whole song is basically made from a sample taken from the Lisa Stansfield song My Telephone. This also pre-dates all the other videos in this thread other than the Anthrax one. I mean how many straight guitar/drum/bass rock bands do you know were sampling other bands in 1990 ? __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

09-19-2010, 04:55 AM	#18 (permalink)
dankrsta ... Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,776	The only bands that I used to like, that can be called 'raprock' or 'rapcore' are Beastie Boys (well I still like them) and Body Count. As I remember Beastie Boys started as a hardcore punk band and as they developed to a rap group, they retained that rocking, grooving sensibility. So, can they be put in this genre, at least some of their work? __________________ Last.fm

09-22-2010, 12:06 AM	#20 (permalink)
sidewinder Engorged Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,536	Now we're reaching way back...Beastie Boys' No Sleep Till Brooklyn and Fight For Your Right are definitely OG rap/rock songs. __________________ last.fm \| my collection on RYM \| vinyl instagram @allthatyouseeandhear I'd love to see your signature/links too, but the huge and obnoxious ones have caused me to block all signatures.

09-16-2010, 01:41 PM	#16 (permalink)
Maribel Groupie Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: la la land! Posts: 30	I've always thought Rap/Rock can be awesome if done right, like the Public Enemy/Anthrax team up or the Beastie Boys' "Sabotage". Too bad a lot of the bands that did mix the two ended up being total crap (Limp Bizkit and their nu-metal ilk).