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JGuy Grungeman · 03-30-2016, 09:39 PM

Sorry for the thurd post, but this device won't let me publish edits. I think I got seriously off topic, so lrt's get back to finding errors in the lists.

Tristan_Geoff · 03-30-2016, 09:52 PM

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Major elements were raspy riffs, punk, metal, and alternative influence, lazy vocal delivery, hard drumming, and the angst effect that was specifically relatable to the anger of youths. But some of these can be traded to experiment with the sound EXCEPT for the teen anger. Without that, it's not grunge. And of course, many of these need to stay to truely retain the sound, but switching out a couple is experimentation.

I still don't see a huge connection. By those standards, most dirty, distorted punk is grunge too. I just think that outside of groups like Tad and Green River, grunge really had time to form into a real sound. I get that all the bands are sorta likeminded, and there was definitely a character to the Seattle scene, but I just don't see a definitive sound for the genre. If distortion and angst are it's main characteristics, a lot of other rock grouos can be considered grunge.

The Batlord · 03-30-2016, 10:14 PM

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The thing that connected them was the specific kind of angst. Like many genres, grunge was actually quite experimental. A simple grunge song would be Lithium, not really alternative or punky. Now put grunge with a heavier alternative sound and you get PearlmJam. Put it with garage rock, Mudhoney. Punk, Green River. Glam rock, Mother Love Bone. Heavy Metal/Hard Rock, Soundgarden. Psychedelic, Screaming Trees.

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Major elements were raspy riffs, punk, metal, and alternative influence, lazy vocal delivery, hard drumming, and the angst effect that was specifically relatable to the anger of youths. But some of these can be traded to experiment with the sound EXCEPT for the teen anger. Without that, it's not grunge. And of course, many of these need to stay to truely retain the sound, but switching out a couple is experimentation.

I think you bought into the marketing scheme when you were younger and have done a lot of mental gymnastics to rationalize it.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-30-2016, 10:37 PM

I didn't buy into any f***in scheme, so stop treating me like a tool. In fact, the only grunge album I ever bought was Nevermind, and that was before I was a fan. And like I keep saying, GRUNGE'S ANGST IS DISTINCTIVE. It is not the same kind of angst as punk or emo or anything.

In a philosophical sense, I'd say grunge's angst is a blend of a false sense of maturity and a desire to prove it, and anger at the world in general rather than specific things, as if the music is annoyed that the world feels pointless. That's the feeling I get when I listen to any grunge album.

Tristan_Geoff · 03-30-2016, 10:44 PM

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In a philosophical sense, I'd say grunge's angst is a blend of a false sense of maturity and a desire to prove it, and anger at the world in general rather than specific things, as if the music is annoyed that the world feels pointless. That's the feeling I get when I listen to any grunge album.

Ah. I definitely understand this.

The Batlord · 03-31-2016, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

I didn't buy into any f***in scheme, so stop treating me like a tool. In fact, the only grunge album I ever bought was Nevermind, and that was before I was a fan. And like I keep saying, GRUNGE'S ANGST IS DISTINCTIVE. It is not the same kind of angst as punk or emo or anything.

In a philosophical sense, I'd say grunge's angst is a blend of a false sense of maturity and a desire to prove it, and anger at the world in general rather than specific things, as if the music is annoyed that the world feels pointless. That's the feeling I get when I listen to any grunge album.

Saying something over and over again doesn't make it mean any more sense.

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See? Doesn't work.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-31-2016, 10:15 AM

But I just explained how it was different. And someone understood it. Not my fault you didn't get it.

The Batlord · 03-31-2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

But I just explained how it was different. And someone understood it. Not my fault you didn't get it.

I get it fine. You're just grasping at straws. Lots of music expresses angst. Just because a scene has lyrical similarities does not mean that those lyrics are specific to that scene alone.

Black Francis · 03-31-2016, 10:47 AM

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I feel this is a code to awake sleeper agents.

JGuy Grungeman · 03-31-2016, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I get it fine. You're just grasping at straws. Lots of music expresses angst. Just because a scene has lyrical similarities does not mean that those lyrics are specific to that scene alone.

And that's why other key factors are needed to make the sound, like I already said. Angst can't work without some of the raspy guitars, deep and unsettling bass riffs, unconventional time structures, heavy drumming, lasy vocal delivery or influence from punk/metal/alternative.

03-30-2016, 09:39 PM	#61 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Sorry for the thurd post, but this device won't let me publish edits. I think I got seriously off topic, so lrt's get back to finding errors in the lists. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

03-30-2016, 10:37 PM	#64 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	I didn't buy into any f***in scheme, so stop treating me like a tool. In fact, the only grunge album I ever bought was Nevermind, and that was before I was a fan. And like I keep saying, GRUNGE'S ANGST IS DISTINCTIVE. It is not the same kind of angst as punk or emo or anything. In a philosophical sense, I'd say grunge's angst is a blend of a false sense of maturity and a desire to prove it, and anger at the world in general rather than specific things, as if the music is annoyed that the world feels pointless. That's the feeling I get when I listen to any grunge album. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

03-31-2016, 10:15 AM	#67 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	But I just explained how it was different. And someone understood it. Not my fault you didn't get it. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.