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Stones 1,000,000,059 99.90%
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Old 01-17-2006, 10:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A fallacy on your part.

I've backed my arguments with a great array of proveable facts. Your side has produced virtually nothing except cries of "that's just your opinion".

Using your lack of logic on this particular subject (I'm not saying you lack logic in general, so don't get offended), one could claim that Slipknot is just as "good" as the Beatles.

Not all opinions are valid and/or equal. Examples:

"Slipknot is just as good a band as the Beatles."

"Mick Thomson is just as good a guitarist as Jimi Hendrix"

"George Bush is just as good an intellectual as Albert Einstein".

"Bill Laimbeer is just as good a basketball player as Michael Jordan".


Now according to your relativistic rationale that all opinions are "equal", we'd have to consider all of the above to be as "true" as any other opinions, even though anybody with common sense knows the above opinions are BS.

Many Germans were (and many still are) of the opinion that Hitler was a "a great leader and fine man". Using your relativistic logic, we would have to accept that ludicrous opinion as being just as correct as any.

All opinions and arguments are NOT valid and/or equal.
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exactly.

and "music man" was trying to prove that the beatles were better than the stones based on facts. (which were actually just opinions)

therefore his credibility stick just got shorter.
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how much they sold has absolutely nothing to do with whether they were better or not.

each band influenced a different group of people. the beatles had a sound that at the time would have been considered pop. now i bet that the sales of n'sync(todays pop) records far outweighs the sales of a band such as say...pennywise. but each band influences the people that they appeal to.

OPINION, OPINION, OPINION.

when will you get that through your head and stop trying to prove that the beatles were the greater band. they were by no means the greater band. neither of them were greater than the other. but in the minds of their followers, each is greater than the other.

so shut up with your elitist opinion posts and accept other peoples views.
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how much they sold has absolutely nothing to do with whether they were better or not.

each band influenced a different group of people. the beatles had a sound that at the time would have been considered pop. now i bet that the sales of n'sync(todays pop) records far outweighs the sales of a band such as say...pennywise. but each band influences the people that they appeal to.

OPINION, OPINION, OPINION.

when will you get that through your head and stop trying to prove that the beatles were the greater band. they were by no means the greater band. neither of them were greater than the other. but in the minds of their followers, each is greater than the other.

so shut up with your elitist opinion posts and accept other peoples views.
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how much they sold has absolutely nothing to do with whether they were better or not.
Your OPINION, OPINION, OPINION. And I judged them by NUMEROUS other criteria, not just record sales.

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each band influenced a different group of people. the beatles had a sound that at the time would have been considered pop. now i bet that the sales of n'sync(todays pop) records far outweighs the sales of a band such as say...pennywise. but each band influences the people that they appeal to.
Some of it was considered pop, a lot of it was not. "Helter Skelter", "Revolution #9" and "I am the Walrus" sure as hell weren't pop. And the Beatles influenced A LOT MORE people than the Stones. Not to mention that the Stones have recorded their fair share of "pop", the main difference being theirs wasn't as good or popular as the Beatles, as a whole. So your above statements are just your OPINION, OPINION, OPINION.

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when will you get that through your head and stop trying to prove that the beatles were the greater band. they were by no means the greater band. neither of them were greater than the other. but in the minds of their followers, each is greater than the other.
Your OPINION, OPINION, OPINION.

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so shut up with your elitist opinion posts and accept other peoples views.
You're apparently intellectually unable to realize the sheer hypocrisy of your above statement.

You are loudly proclaiming YOUR OPINIONS to be true, and mine to be false. And your gross hypocrisy becomes even more evident, by your statement "shut up with your elitist opinion posts and accept other peoples views."

First of all, I haven't proclaimed myself to be better than anybody else here, so I'm certainly not an elitist.

Secondly, I'm ROTFLMAO at the blatant hypocrisy and gall of your statement. You're telling me to "shut up and accept other people's views".

WHY DON'T YOU FOLLOW YOUR OWN ADVICE! You declare that I should "shut up and accept other people's views"---so why don't you lead by example and "shut up and accept" MY views!

Or are YOUR OPINIONS somehow "right and holy", while mine are "wrong" and "narrow-minded"? Judging you by YOUR OWN statements, I guess we're going to have to declare you an elitist! Not saying that you are, just pointing out your painfully obvious hypocrisy.
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which do you prefer, and why?
Thats the basis of this thread, it requires one post not a huge debate over it.
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Ahem Thats the basis of this thread, it requires one post not a huge debate over it.
That's your OPINION.

Why are you fearful of an in-depth debate? It hasn't descended into a flame war with name-calling, vulgar language and threats. So who cares if we argue a bit?

Does everything have to be a 15-second soundbite or "touchy feely" vacuous three sentence post?

People LEARN through argument and debate, as long as it remains civil, which it has so far.
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That's your OPINION.

Why are you fearful of an in-depth debate? It hasn't descended into a flame war with name-calling, vulgar language and threats. So who cares if we argue a bit?

Does everything have to be a 15-second soundbite or "touchy feely" vacuous three sentence post?

People LEARN through argument and debate, as long as it remains civil, which it has so far.
it's not an in depth debate. a debate needs verifable facts, not just the same opinions stated over and over and over, which is what you're doing. and yes, they are opinions. apart from the beatles oh so impressive album sales, you've yet to present a single other HARD FACT.
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it's not an in depth debate. a debate needs verifable facts, not just the same opinions stated over and over and over, which is what you're doing. and yes, they are opinions. apart from the beatles oh so impressive album sales, you've yet to present a single other HARD FACT.
That's your OPINION. Prove it!

Regarding the enormous influence of the Beatles:

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"The impact of the Beatles upon popular music cannot be overstated; they revolutionized the music industry and touched the lives of all who heard them in deep and fundamental ways. Landing on these shores on February 7, 1964, they literally stood the world of pop culture on its head, setting the musical agenda for the remainder of the decade. The Beatles' buoyant melodies, playful personalities and mop-topped charisma were just the tonic needed by a nation left reeling by the senseless assassination of its young president, John F. Kennedy, barely two months earlier. Even adults typically given to scorning rock and roll as worthless "kid's stuff" were forced to concede that there was substance in their music and quick-witted cleverness in their repartee. Without exaggeration, they transfixed and transformed the world as we knew it, ushering in a demographic shift in which youth culture assertively took over from its stodgy Eisenhower-era forbears....

...The group's first single, "Love Me Do/P.S. I Love You," briefly dented the U.K. Top Twenty in October 1962, but their next 45, "Please Please Me," formally ignited Beatlemania in their homeland, reaching the Number Two spot. It was followed by four consecutive chart-topping British singles, issued throughout 1963: "From Me to You," "She Loves You," "I Want to Hold Your Hand," "Can't Buy Me Love." They conquered the U.K., even inducing a classical music critic from the London Sunday Times to declare them "the greatest composers since Beethoven." The group's success was based around the Lennon/McCartney songwriting partnership, Harrison's guitar-playing prowess, and Starr's amiable disposition and artful simplicity as a drummer.

The Beatles' conquest of America early in 1964 launched the British Invasion, as a torrent of rock and roll bands from Britain overtook the pop charts. The Fab Four's first Number One single in the U.S. was "I Want to Hold Your Hand," released on Capitol Records, EMI's American counterpart. This exuberant track was followed by 45 more Top Forty hits over the next half-dozen years. During the week of April 4, 1964, the Beatles set a record that is likely never to be broken when they occupied all five of the top positions on Billboard's Top Pop Singles chart, with "Can't Buy Me Love" ensconced at Number One. Their popularity soared still further with the release of their playfully anarchic documentary film, A Hard Day's Night, in August 1964.

When all was said and done, the Beatles charted 20 Number One singles in the States - a number even greater than runner-up Elvis Presley's 17 chart-toppers. For such feats of sales and airplay alone, the Beatles can unassailably be regarded as the top group in rock and roll history. Yet their significance as a band extends beyond numbers to encompass their innovations in the recording studio. The Beatles' legacy as a concert attraction, during their harried passage from nightclubs to baseball stadiums, is distinguished primarily by the deafening screams of female fans overcome by the group's very appearance. Consequently, the Beatles began to indulge their creative energies in the studio, layering sounds and crafting songs in a way no one had attempted before. The results included such musically expansive and lyrically sophisticated albums as Rubber Soul (1965) and Revolver (1966). For various reasons, ranging from safety concerns to frustration that no one could hear or was listening, the Beatles retired from touring after a San Francisco concert on August 29, 1966.

Ten months later, they released Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, an album that has almost universally been cited as the creative apotheosis of rock and roll, a watershed event in which rock became "serious art" without losing its sense of humor (or sense of the absurd). Realizing the band members' collective ambitions took four months and all the technical wiles of producer George Martin. A completely self-contained album meant to be played and experienced from start to finish, Sgt. Pepper broke the mold in that no singles were released from it. The album's heady artistic reach further cemented the notion of a viable counterculture in the minds of youthful dropouts everywhere. Anyone who was alive in the summer of 1967 can remember the pleasant shock of hearing it and the reverberations it sent outward into the world of rock and roll and beyond....

...Through all the chaotic events of the late Sixties, the Beatles managed to retain their integrity and focus as recording artists. Released in August 1968, the single "Hey Jude"/"Revolution" became their most popular single. The Beatles (1968), a double-LP popularly referred to as "the White Album," was like a prism that found the group refracting into four individual and highly estimable talents. The album and film Let It Be, recorded in 1969 but shelved until 1970, essentially documented the Beatles' dissolution and breakup amid internal squabbles and the presence of John Lennon's new mate, Yoko Ono. Yet the Beatles came together and exited on a high note, uniting in the summer of 1969 to record their swan song, Abbey Road."


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Music Man,

Yes it is a FACT that The Beatles have had a lasting impact, importance and influence on rock music, however its your OPINION that it means The Beatles are better than The Stones...In my opinion they are way better than The Stones, but im still aware that its only my opinion.
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