jibber

exactly, for christs sake johhny depp modled his character in pirates of the caribean after keith richards. Does that say how influential they've been if industries other than music are drawing from them?

__________________
What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road.
William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways

Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass.

HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

Music Man

The topic of this thread is "The Beatles vs. the Stones"--who's BETTER. It's NOT about whether or not the Stones have created "some really amazing, innovative, and influential music."

By your own admission, the Stones have made some "crap" music over the years (actually quite a bit of "crap" music, including several of their albums). Whereas the Beatles NEVER made even one "crap" album. The Beatles CONSISTENTLY and REPEATEDLY turned out "really amazing, innovative, and influential music"--whereas the Stones have been an inconsistent "hit or miss" type band for over the last thirty years.

By virtually every known indicator of greatness, the Beatles destroy the Rolling Stones:

1. Record Sales: The Beatles have sold over a BILLION albums worldwide, which easily dwarfs what the Stones have sold. Also, the Beatles have FAR MORE #1 hits. This doesn't look good for the Stones, who have been around about 36 YEARS longer.

Easy victory in this category for the Beatles.

2. Musical Influence: The Beatles are easily the most influential rock band in human history, and very likely the most influential act in music history--in ANY genre.

Easy victory in this category for the Beatles.

3. Social Influence: Again, easily the most influential rock band in history. The Beatles took not only the music world by storm, but the entire CULTURE of North America, Europe and the British Empire--and were also immensely influential in the more advanced Asian and Latin nations.

Easy victory in this category for the Beatles.

4. Consistency: The Beatles produced a prodigious amount of music during their relatively brief existence. Few bands in history have released so many original albums in such a short span of time. Every single one of their albums and virtually all of their songs maintained the highest musical standards.

Easy victory in this category for the Beatles.

5. Innovation: Their albums and songs were incredibly diverse and groundbreaking. Albums like "Rubber Soul", "Revolver", "Sgt. Pepper", "The Magical Mystery Tour" and "The White Album"--were virtually REVOLUTIONARY in their impact.

Easy victory in this category for the Beatles.

Quite frankly, I can't think of one relevant category where the Stones can be considered even equal to the Beatles, much less superior.

Summation: The Beatles reign supreme over the Stones.

__________________
"Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment."

--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

jibber

yeah, you've said all that at least a dozen times before. Know what the only thing that stood out to me was? This sentence right here:
"I can't think of one relevant category where the Stones can be considered even equal to the Beatles, much less superior."

yes, YOU can't think of one category where the stones can be considered equal. Not everyone judges greatness in the same way, in my opinion, even though the stones have had some crap songs, they've had just as many songs that I consider great as the beatles have. What's more, I don't consider the quantity of music produced has anything to do with how talented the band is. We just have different ways of defining what a great band is, that's all there is to it. No matter how hard you try, it's impossible to prove me wrong, because its not a question of right or wrong, its a question of opinion.

__________________
What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road.
William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways

Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass.

HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe

everything you said there had a pro-beatles bias, and was based completely on opinion. while you say that the stones created some crap music in their day....well.....thats by no means based on any fact whatsoever. hell....while people may say that fallout boy is one of the greatest bands ever....my opinion on them, based on the quality of their music, is that they are horrible. that doesnt make them a horrible band, its just my opinion, and why i choose not to listen to them. you may say that the stones put out some crappy music, well, to you it may be crap, but to others it may be the greatest thing ever.

as for consistency, its also an opinion. no band has consistently great albums. and even after saying that...the quality of each album is based on opinion. you cant make posts like that, trying to prove a point with facts....when all you have is opinion. and to say that one band is more influential than the other, based on opinion....carries absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

so in a nutshell.....that last post was useless and a waste of your time.

__________________

bungalow

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong but, this whole thread is based of opinion

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe

exactly.

and "music man" was trying to prove that the beatles were better than the stones based on facts. (which were actually just opinions)

therefore his credibility stick just got shorter.

__________________

Music Man

Step away from that crack pipe, bungalow!

Official U.S. album sales as of June 2005 (Source: Recording Industry Association of America):

Beatles--168.5 million (#1)
Stones--64.5 million (Not even top ten)

http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topartists.asp

Remember, that's just U.S. album sales. If you count worldwide sales of both albums and singles , the Beatles have the Stones beat by HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.

According to the Guinness Book of World Records, the Beatles are easily the biggest selling rock band in history.

__________________
"Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment."

--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe

how much they sold has absolutely nothing to do with whether they were better or not.

each band influenced a different group of people. the beatles had a sound that at the time would have been considered pop. now i bet that the sales of n'sync(todays pop) records far outweighs the sales of a band such as say...pennywise. but each band influences the people that they appeal to.

OPINION, OPINION, OPINION.

when will you get that through your head and stop trying to prove that the beatles were the greater band. they were by no means the greater band. neither of them were greater than the other. but in the minds of their followers, each is greater than the other.

so shut up with your elitist opinion posts and accept other peoples views.

__________________

boo boo

__________________
It's only knock n' knowall, but I like it

http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs

boo boo

Well...Regardless, their best albums could still rack up against the Beatles best...Im a little biased because i prefer The Beatles by a huge amount...But PTS is right about it being a subjective thing.

Everybody has their own criteria for greatness (i know i do) and they are not always the same, by one persons criteria The Beatles are greater than The Stones, by anothers criteria The Stones are greater than The Beatles, etc.

__________________
It's only knock n' knowall, but I like it

http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs