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Old 10-17-2017, 04:58 PM   #251 (permalink)
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For me personally, I only started really appreciating subtler, quieter music when I aged past 30. Before then, I was way more dependent on novel sounds and immediate gratification. It has only been in recent years that I've started seeing how simple and boring music like Joan Baez, Carly Simon, fado, celtic, etc. is not boring if you show some patience and let the nuances of the songwriting get under your skin.

It would definitely be fallacious to assume that one will necessarily gravitate towards more and more complex/weird/novel/intense things the older one gets. I personally took three decades to learn that music isn't only about immediate energy, hooks and interesting, unique sounds. Put simply, of course.

I'm probably being captain obvious again. It's just that I can see how one would think that a music obsessive should develop a taste for more and more esoteric pleasures over the years, but it can go the opposite direction too.

Personally, I'm feeling less interested in experimental and abrasive music than I used to.
It's got nothing to do with subtetly we were talking about pop and arena rock

But quiet music doesn't have to be uninteresting

I for example am very into Krautrock which is awash in pieces that are quiet and subtle but still reach in the exp direction

I will say the longer I listen to music and the older I get the less I care about touchy feely melodies
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Old 10-17-2017, 05:02 PM   #252 (permalink)
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I'm like literally right there on the 30 year mark with Cecil and Ornette. Free jazz has been the biggest constant in my listening habits. A solid appreciation for free jazz is a litmus test with me. If you get it I'll take your opinion into consideration about anything. If not, I discount opinions that are outside of their purview. Especially negative ones. Like with Bat, if he likes something I know right away it's very likely to be good. But if he doesn't like something I take it with a grain of salt. I don't care if everyone wants to call me a #FrownDickRider because this is the truth. There's a few cases where I'm not eye to eye on every single musician but I make sure I check out the stuff you rave on and almost always feel the same way.

Haters can hate y'all but Frown knows his stuff. Respect where it's due.
I think I'm reading this wrong so by all means tell me if so but: are you saying that if someone is not into free jazz you will discount their opinion on any other music, or on free jazz? Or, are you (as I think you are) saying that, whatever the genre, you'll only give credence to the opinion of someone who is familiar with it? As in, if I said punk is **** you'd say (and you'd be right) that I don't know what I'm talking about because I've listened to so little?
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Yeah, I mean it's cool but your limitations are clear.
That's an arrogant thing to say now really. Just because someone doesn't like free jazz does not mean they're limited. Different strokes, man.
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Not really. It's also about knowledge and understanding.
Another arrogant thing to say. I may have plenty of knowledge and understanding of, say, soul, but not like it. That doesn't mean I'm limited just cos I don't like soul. But I would agree - and I've been guilty of this in the past - that you shouldn't diss music you haven't at least listened to.
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A man who does not listen to jazz at either 20 or 50 has wasted 50 years of his life.
I do get the feeling all roads eventually lead to jazz
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That's an arrogant thing to say now really. Just because someone doesn't like free jazz does not mean they're limited. Different strokes, man.
But those who don't like free jazz (or any genre, really) mostly dismiss the genre because they are assigning inappropriate requirements that don't make sense for that genre, like expecting a jazz album to check all of the boxes of what makes a great country record. I think we've had this conversation before. Someone who listens to free jazz has a better understanding of it than someone whose knowledge of the genre is ------limited------
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jazz seems for those that experience ego death and arrive at complete freedom
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jazz seems for those that experience ego death and arrive at complete freedom
the mainstream stereotype of jazz listeners is, funnily enough, that they have huge ego's

not that I mean to imply anything with that

More seriously, I kind of like constraints. They're good for art. Constraints lead to crystal clear ideas and carefully sculpted shapes. It's like a game. Rules and boundaries make the game.
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I just like that they do stuff like just listing the musicians last names in place of Band Names and logos and T-shirts
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Ja I think the jazz musician is like the opposite of the ego death. While there's a lot of group dynamic of course, there is a high degree of individuality in the freer sides of the genre. I guess you could call it an ego death in terms of becoming the ego or something confusing like that.
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