How big are the Cleveland Browns? I mean in terms of stature and historical success.

They haven't won since the 60s and have been in the dumpster ever since.

What did they win before that and how often?

You can be a big club without winning since the 60s. Are they looked at as minnows or a decent club?

What the f*ck are you talking about?

What the f*ck do you mean what the f*ck am I talking about, it's a simple question read it again :confused:

This is a strange way to ask what you're asking. I don't know. They have a decent sized fanbase. I have no idea.

Trophies are just one aspect of determining the size of a competitor or team (but are the biggest). Fan base, revenue, stadium size, brand, influence, wealth, current stars etc, are all factors too.

You can have a team that hasn't won something since the sixties (England) that would be considered to be bigger than a team that has won something relatively recently and would be considered to be minnows (Greece).

I wanted to know what the Cleveland Browns would be regarded as (and the reason is to get a better idea of whether their owner/previous owner ran them into the ground).

We don't really value these things. There are some really great players that aren't in the hall of fame because they didn't win a championship. My 49ers have won five championships and are considered a garbage team because they have been the last two years. NFL fans have very short memories.

Ah right, I'm the opposite of that. I mean like I would consider the overall picture when judging their size and not just what happened last year, and the legacy/reputation that a short term success club isn't going to have.

Overall size and current quality/likelihood of someone winning an event I can distinguish between.

Let's not forget that the NFL is a league that is letting a man who beat the absolute sh*t out of his girlfriend and a man who beat the sh*t out of his toddler son...play. The league is a joke.