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Old 11-14-2011, 07:43 AM   #151 (permalink)
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Damping material might work. I'll start using that after I've decorated my entire home.
Furniture, paintings and such change a lot too.
And use one speaker... How am I supposed to get stereo with one speaker?
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:13 AM   #152 (permalink)
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It's still with a friend in Rotterdam, but it's mine
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:35 PM   #153 (permalink)
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...or just use one speaker? Isn't that the common sense thing to do?

Alternatively you could use damping material like acoustic tile on the walls (there are some attractive styles) to limit reverberations back to the couch.

I gotta admit, I don't know shit about sound systems, but I don't see how this could be a logical fallacy.
Well, one speaker would mean no stereo mode.
Also, standard absorption material isn't going to do much for low frequencies. If he's not having problems with the high freqs, then all is well with that already. Lower frequencies require much thicker material to absorb them, and bass traps are commonly used, but mostly for bringing down standing waves that unnaturally/falsely boost the low end range more than the actual recording has.
Being that he has good sound everywhere but at his listening position (where the low end is being cancelled), he basically needs to either move the listening position to get out of the dead spot/cancellation zone, or crossover the low freqs to a single speaker/sub positioned right in the middle.

Personally, I think the a sub with a crossover would be a better option, provided everything else is good at his listening position... as it wouldn't require him to move it and create more problems of a different type.
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Old 11-16-2011, 05:06 PM   #154 (permalink)
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The problem isn't absorption, the problem is that the bass is everywhere, except where I sit...
Sub is not an option for me. You can just tell there's a sub.
I may want to get smaller speakers so you won't have the feeling you're missing something .

Oh I did buy these by the way:

Wharfedale Diamond 3
Anyone who heard them, will know why .
These tiny little things sound so far beyond their size! It's incredible.
I didn't need them, but I had a set of NAD speakers lying around as spares. I'm going to sell the NAD's and put these little ones in place
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Old 11-26-2011, 01:38 AM   #155 (permalink)
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The problem isn't absorption, the problem is that the bass is everywhere, except where I sit...
Sub is not an option for me. You can just tell there's a sub.
I may want to get smaller speakers so you won't have the feeling you're missing something .

Oh I did buy these by the way:

Wharfedale Diamond 3
Anyone who heard them, will know why .
These tiny little things sound so far beyond their size! It's incredible.
I didn't need them, but I had a set of NAD speakers lying around as spares. I'm going to sell the NAD's and put these little ones in place
I'm not sure if you replied to me or not, but I sorta made the point you're expressing. The problem is cancellation at your listening position. The only way to fix it is to move your listening position, or your speakers. OR, introduce a sub.
I use a sub (not a rinkydink home theater sub) and if you set it up correctly, you will not notice anything that isn't meant to be noticed. The sub isn't going to boost anything unless you're not setting it correctly. It will simply translate the information there, and, the benefit of having the single center channel for lower frequencies is that you won't have the cancellation problem.
So.. if it's a good sub, and it's crossed over and leveled correctly, all it would do is solve the problem.

I'm not trying to convince you or anything. Just saying... from experience and all. I apologize if your experience with subs and crossover frequencies did not net you the results you had hoped for.


P.S. I'm jealous of your Wharfedales.
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:54 AM   #156 (permalink)
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Haha, if I turn out to dislike my wharfedales I'll think of you.
Not sure how much shipping is, though.
These wharfedales usually cost around 50-60 bucks here. And as far as I've heard they are really value for money.

As far as subs go; I used to have a REL Subwoofer and I still disagree with all those who say low frequencies display no stereo imagery at all. If you listen to music like Tool with a sub or with two full range speakers, you will notice the difference. With a sub your low end will just become cluttered. Even with frequencies below 100hz.

But, I should add this; If there's one thing I've learned from all these years of 'audiophility', it is that it seems as though not everyone is sensitive for the same problems in audio. I myself fail to recognize sound that's out of phase. Other people hear this within the second. Then there's people who don't hear wow or flutter, people who don't hear dropouts, people who cannot seem to grab the idea of stereo imagery, people who cannot hear dither from certain CD players... Etcetera. These are usually people who have got very well-trained ears and really know what they'r talking about, yet they are (mentally, I think) not capable of hearing certain deviations in sound.
For instance, I've never been able to listen to early 90's high-end Denon CD players. They sound epic, but something in the high up frequencies (above 15khz) keeps annoying me. A lot of people, who are physically very well capable of hearing these frequencies, haven't got a clue what I'm on about. Even people who've got audio gear worth 40.000 bucks (and know how to use it), just don't hear what I hear.

Eitherway, what I was trying to say; I think I have a certain sensitivity for subwoofers that most people don't have. They work for 99% of the people. Even the guy with the 40.000 bucks audio set-up advised me a subwoofer.
I won't mind trying, but I know I will always be able to hear there's a subwoofer playing along with my speakers. Along with, not together.

And then there's the other problem; There's just one spot in my living room where I lack those frequencies. If I were to use a sub, the rest of the room would go nuts .
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I had a really old model of those and it was amazing. I bet those ARE AMAZING
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This is the first model as well, the original K240.
I've also got a '78 K141. Love that. This is supposed to be about the same but with a little deeper low-end. Can't wait to try
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This is the first model as well, the original K240.
I've also got a '78 K141. Love that. This is supposed to be about the same but with a little deeper low-end. Can't wait to try
I mainly liked the way it sat on your head/ears. Most headphones are not big enough to make sure your ears are not getting squashed, but these while being massive where still very comfortable for long periods of time.
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Old 11-28-2011, 01:50 PM   #160 (permalink)
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Most comfortable headphones I've had on my head so far is the Beyerdynamic DT-990.
I'll get back to you once I receive my K240. Next thursday.
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