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Old 03-08-2012, 10:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That's cool. It's not exactly standard, especially with the duplications. The main thing that isn't listed in my setup are the amps. LineA normally goes into a bright sounding Marshall combo and LineB goes into more of a low end (tone wise) bass amp.

Ultimately that setup is all about being able to create the thickest / lushest wall of sound I can make through my guitar. So on top of having left / right dynamics I also get bass / treble dynamics from either side of the sonic spectrum. The volume pedals are integral for 2 reasons, the standard balancing levels, but then you can also use it as an effect. There are two main effects that you can pull with a volume pedal, the first is tremolo (just rock it really fast), the other is more subtle, like a phaser. So I can have what sounds like a typical fuzzy guitar wall only to sweep in another level to the mix.

Think of it like an ocean with the tide coming in - you get one wave crashing and before it can completely fade away there's another one rolling in on top of it.

I used to be like you when I started out as well, super simple setup. One amp, one wah, one distortion. Then the GAS set in and I started collecting pedals and one fine day someone said "I wonder what would happen if you plugged in EVERYTHING". Haven't looked back since hahaha
Ahh i didnt realize you had 2 amps. That makes much more sense. Personally I have always wanted a el84/34 combo on one side and a Fender Twin on the other for the ultimate range of sounds.

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Guitar Rig 5 on PC is awesome, Boss GT-10 is good, GT-Pro, Pod HD 500...they're all pretty good. There are even plenty of free VST amp modellers. SHRED 1.06 is one, Freeamp, a few others.

At the end of the day, the PC solution is going to sound the best every time. You could just buy a normal, cheapy audio interface, and use PC software only.
Yes but the one thing I dont see them coming close to perfecting is true power tube distortion. While Hi Gain and Clean sound great with a nice Solid State/Modeling/etc they still dont have the power tube overdrive sound.

I have never heard a pedal/patch/preamp that has ever sounded as good as the sound of a power tube being pushed when playing with some overdrive/low gain. And because of this its the reason nearly every guitarist playing music that requires that sound plays on cranked tube amps when possible.

Sure you can make the argument "but people just think they are better, and get them because they cant tweak settings on a digital amp and are just following the trend of tube amps". I agree, lots of people are. But every big artist that has been around for years like Lifeson/Young/Trower/Satch/Vai and a list that goes on forever are all playing cranked tube amps at nearly every show. You think they havnt tried every new possible gizmo and gadget thats come out to see if it will sound better? They are concerned with one thing, the best possible sound on stage. and in the studio.

Ultimately you are right, modeling/ss amps and technology have come very far and often rival their tube counterparts. But a tube amp does one thing amazing well, as I have mentioned multiple times is the clipping of the signal inside the power tubes. At the end of the day a modelling amp is still just emulating this effect.
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Old 03-09-2012, 04:24 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Ahh i didnt realize you had 2 amps. That makes much more sense. Personally I have always wanted a el84/34 combo on one side and a Fender Twin on the other for the ultimate range of sounds.



Yes but the one thing I dont see them coming close to perfecting is true power tube distortion. While Hi Gain and Clean sound great with a nice Solid State/Modeling/etc they still dont have the power tube overdrive sound.

I have never heard a pedal/patch/preamp that has ever sounded as good as the sound of a power tube being pushed when playing with some overdrive/low gain. And because of this its the reason nearly every guitarist playing music that requires that sound plays on cranked tube amps when possible.

Sure you can make the argument "but people just think they are better, and get them because they cant tweak settings on a digital amp and are just following the trend of tube amps". I agree, lots of people are. But every big artist that has been around for years like Lifeson/Young/Trower/Satch/Vai and a list that goes on forever are all playing cranked tube amps at nearly every show. You think they havnt tried every new possible gizmo and gadget thats come out to see if it will sound better? They are concerned with one thing, the best possible sound on stage. and in the studio.

Ultimately you are right, modeling/ss amps and technology have come very far and often rival their tube counterparts. But a tube amp does one thing amazing well, as I have mentioned multiple times is the clipping of the signal inside the power tubes. At the end of the day a modelling amp is still just emulating this effect.
Actually Vai is currently using an AxeFX system in the studio.


Allow me to provide you some tone clips of modelling btw.

All this is is the same riff played through the DEFAULT SETTINGS of each seperate amplifier in guitar rig 5. The only things I changed for each track were I whacked the master volumes all the way up to get power tube distortion, and I set the cabinet level. I changed nothing else.

http://www.mediafire.com/?8noor375nvz8er4


Edit: Also, all of those players were major players in the days when there was no modelling AT ALL. If it weren't for the fact that modern "shredders" are all ****, I'd be interested to see how many of them are going to be as big as vai in 10 years and will have gotten there through modelling rather than tube amps.

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Actually Vai is currently using an AxeFX system in the studio.


Allow me to provide you some tone clips of modelling btw.

All this is is the same riff played through the DEFAULT SETTINGS of each seperate amplifier in guitar rig 5. The only things I changed for each track were I whacked the master volumes all the way up to get power tube distortion, and I set the cabinet level. I changed nothing else.

Tone comparisons.flac


Edit: Also, all of those players were major players in the days when there was no modelling AT ALL. If it weren't for the fact that modern "shredders" are all ****, I'd be interested to see how many of them are going to be as big as vai in 10 years and will have gotten there through modelling rather than tube amps.
I really liked this one at 1 minute. What is that modeled after? Also does the clean it up with guitar volume trick work, or is it like the old SS amps where you volume goes down but keeps the same level of distortion?

I have guitar rig 3 think im gona give it a try today. I am afraid outputing to my stereo speakers wont sound as good as through my amp however.
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I really liked this one at 1 minute. What is that modeled after? Also does the clean it up with guitar volume trick work, or is it like the old SS amps where you volume goes down but keeps the same level of distortion?

I have guitar rig 3 think im gona give it a try today. I am afraid outputing to my stereo speakers wont sound as good as through my amp however.
It'll do everything a real amp and cab will do, including cleaning up when strumming softly.

The amps modelled are, in order:

AC Box (Vox AC-30)
Bass Pro (Ampeg SVT-2 Pro)
Citrus (Orange Overdrive OD120)
Cool Plex (Seems to be a modified plexi with slightly less gain and a different tone stack)
Gratifier (Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier)
High White (Hiwatt DR-103)
Hot Plex (As above, but with more gain instead of less)
Hot Solo+ (Soldano SLO-100)
Jazz Amp (Roland Jazz Chorus-120)
Jump (This is a Marshall JCM800. The early versions had 4 inputs, which you could cross patch to get more gain out of them. I'm guessing this one is patched to get LESS gain.)
Lead 800 (Marshall JCM800 Lead, this one is probably patched the traditional way, to get MORE gain)
Plex (Marshall 1959 SLP)
Rammfire (Based on a modified dual rectifier, made with the input of Ramsstein's guitar player Richard Kruspe)
Twang Reverb (Fender Twin Reverb)
Tweed Delight (Fender Tweed Deluxe)
Tweedman (Fender Bassman)
Ultrasonic (Bogner ‹berschall)
Van 51 (Peavey 5150 or Peavey 6505)
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:12 PM   #15 (permalink)
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my friend i have a line 6 uber metal too! i think it's a great pedal but i was thinking of getting a berzerker overdrive by mxr...i love the tone on this thing! but in your opinion...do u think that if i chain the two pedals and use the gain of the mxr as well as the line 6 distortion...will i get a good distortion sound? i want a warm overdrive in some parts of my songs...not full distortion...thanx in advance!
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It'll do everything a real amp and cab will do, including cleaning up when strumming softly.

The amps modelled are, in order:

AC Box (Vox AC-30)
Bass Pro (Ampeg SVT-2 Pro)
Citrus (Orange Overdrive OD120)
Cool Plex (Seems to be a modified plexi with slightly less gain and a different tone stack)
Gratifier (Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier)
High White (Hiwatt DR-103)
Hot Plex (As above, but with more gain instead of less)
Hot Solo+ (Soldano SLO-100)
Jazz Amp (Roland Jazz Chorus-120)
Jump (This is a Marshall JCM800. The early versions had 4 inputs, which you could cross patch to get more gain out of them. I'm guessing this one is patched to get LESS gain.)
Lead 800 (Marshall JCM800 Lead, this one is probably patched the traditional way, to get MORE gain)
Plex (Marshall 1959 SLP)
Rammfire (Based on a modified dual rectifier, made with the input of Ramsstein's guitar player Richard Kruspe)
Twang Reverb (Fender Twin Reverb)
Tweed Delight (Fender Tweed Deluxe)
Tweedman (Fender Bassman)
Ultrasonic (Bogner ‹berschall)
Van 51 (Peavey 5150 or Peavey 6505)
Hahaha I love knock off names like this. Tweed delight it my favorite. My rig consists of a BBE sonic maximizer and a Ibanez L7 lo fi pedal. I use the BBE sonic maximizer in the effects loop of my mustang amp to clean up distorted tones (you would be amazed how convincing they become once you put the thing in there) and use the Lo fi pedal when I am going through my 65 reissue twin reverb only when using vocals through it though. Usually I just run straight into my twin most of the time. In a live setupthe mustang gets used for vocals and keyboards and the twin gets used for guitar and my friend runs straight into an AC30.
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