Most overrated bands ever?

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Seltzer

The generalisations are meant to be stupid, to match the original comment and general criticism of prog. I.e.

Prog songs are long for the sake of it. Punk songs are short for the sake of it. Both are stupid generalisations.

Some people would soon criticise jazz and say that jazz musicians use 'exotic'/unusual/non-rock chord progressions for the sake of it, but that's obviously not true.

Some people think prog is pretentious for having long songs. Not all prog has long songs, therefore stupid statement. In the same way, many think alt is pretentious for having long song names. Clearly a stupid statement as not all alt has unnecessarily long song names.


I assure you those generalisations are stupid, and were very well thought out to match the 'quality' of the original comment on prog.


So is anyone going to tell me why all prog is pretentious? All prog, every prog band that is. Because if you're using Dream Theater as the prime example of a prog band, I don't think you've listened to a hell of a lot of prog. Why can't you accept that some music is very technical? Calling it pretentious because the musicians have a lot of technical skill is stupid. And don't try to tell me that all prog fans only like prog - that is ridiculously stupid.

Wow, you basically just repeated your last post, congrats. I guess i'll repeat mine but use smaller words and bold key parts.

Every band IVE heard has been pretentious. I don't care if its technical, I listen to some technical music but I think it all sounds technical just for the sake of it. I never said only prog fans like prog, what I meant was all prog fans thinking prog is the best and most superior genre doesn't help it seem less pretentious. And i've probably listened to ten or twenty prog bands, I don't see why I need to check out a shitload to have an opinion on it. I don't see why I need to check out a shitload if I don't like it.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Crowquill

Lawl, hes ignorant this coming from the man who called someones opinion subjective and then bullshit.

If you like or dislike a band then that is subjective, I know it's old, but I wont stop repeating it until you get it, if you don't like prog I could care less, but if you're telling me a band I like dosen't make good music because they're not balling all the time about how their parents wouldn't allow them to do everything they wanted, then I'm f*cking sorry, I'm going to call you out on it.

Hahaha, so just because it isn't prog its a "half written half performed punk rock anthem with badly out of tuned guitars"?

Ok I confess, that was a little jab at The Fall.

Christ, music doesn't have to be shitty to have passion. You're basically making stupid generalizations, though it shouldn't be shocking by now. I'd consider Patrick Wolf very passionate yet hes still classically trained and ridiculously talented, same with Piglet, Yo La Tengo, Modest Mouse, etc.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

LOL@bolded part, I don't feel like dragging up quotes but the amount of times you've gone around saying indie sucks, I think you're the biggest hypocrite here.

1. Indie is not a genre, that very statement has been driven into the ground, but unfortunately for you and your lousy excuse of a rebuttal, it's true. Unlike an actual genre, which is a category to define bands by a certain style and or origin, Indie is but a stupid/useless label used to promote Pitchforkmedia.com t-shirts, and nothing else.

2. Know the differences between genres and trends, I don't like to diss genres (I used to diss metal just to piss metalheads off, but I actually do like a lot of metal), trends however I am not at all above making fun of. While I do understand that genres are usually accompanied by trends, in this case the Indie trend (and it is a trend regardless of what you say) has no actual genre of music accompanying it, it's all Image.

Personal preference = ignorance.

No, lecturing other people about what music should and shouldn't be is.

I've never said all music should be 12 minute epics with synthesizer guitar solos by Adrian Belew, wise up.

Missing the point ftw.

Not at all. If a robot can emulate Paganini, it can emulate anything, it should have no problem playing pop/rock music that anyone on earth can pick up on quickly.

I think the Ramones are a better band then any prog band i've heard. Are they "technically better?" Nope, I think you're the one using shitty analogies now.

Who makes better music is subjective, if you want me to stop using this repetitive phrase, you can start by not making an issue about this band vs that band based on their musical quality, that alone forces me to address this no matter how many times I have said it, because at some point you're gonna have to stop shrugging off what I say and actually think about it for a minute. I don't like to compare prog and punk since I love both, thing is I don't compare KC to a bunch of punk bands and say they are better then them, sure I may say they are more talented instrumentalists, but thats just stating a fact, I think you're just looking for a fight.

I know music theory and do extremely well in it and I still think technical music sucks.

And me dissing Indie is closed minded.

You know how many genres of music there are where technical skill is important? You're covering a lot of ground here, and you're gonna mouth off at me for poking fun at a nonexistent genre? I can't believe you.

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by Crowquill

Wow, you basically just repeated your last post, congrats. I guess i'll repeat mine but use smaller words and bold key parts.

Every band IVE heard has been pretentious. I don't care if its technical, I listen to some technical music but I think it all sounds technical just for the sake of it. I never said only prog fans like prog, what I meant was all prog fans thinking prog is the best and most superior genre doesn't help it seem less pretentious. And i've probably listened to ten or twenty prog bands, I don't see why I need to check out a shitload to have an opinion on it. I don't see why I need to check out a shitload if I don't like it.

But what about Radiohead? They're a prog band that isn't technical, and I struggle to see how they would sound technical as well. So that invalidates your post. That is... unless you haven't heard Radiohead.

In which case, you've heard a TINY amount of prog and shouldn't be flouting an opinion on it anyway.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by boo boo

If you like or dislike a band then that is subjective, I know it's old, but I wont stop repeating it until you get it, if you don't like prog I could care less, but if you're telling me a band I like dosen't make good music because they're not balling all the time about how their parents wouldn't allow them to do everything they wanted, then I'm f*cking sorry, I'm going to call you out on it.

Any band that sings about dragons sucks.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Modest Mouse is better then any band you listen to.

1. Indie is not a genre, that very statement has been driven into the ground. Unlike an actual genre, which is a category to define bands by a certain style and or origin, Indie is but a stupid/useless label used to promote Pitchforkmedia.com t-shirts, and nothing else.
2. Know the differences between genres and trends, I don't like to diss genres (I used to diss metal just to piss metalheads off, but I actually do like a lot of metal), trends however I am not at all above making fun of. While I do understand that genres are usually accompanied by trends, but in this case the Indie trend has no actual genre of music accompanying it, it's all Image.

LAWL ITS A CATERGORY IN MUSIC BUT NOT A GENRE!11 Dude bust out some more contradictions plz.

I've never said all music should be 12 minute epics with synthesizer guitar solos by Adrian Belew, wise up.

But you implied it.

Not at all. If a robot can emulate Paganini, it can emulate anything, it should have no problem playing pop/rock music.

A robot can show no emotion, so of course it can play prog perfectly. Any other genre? Probably not.

Who makes better music is subjective. I don't like to compare prog and punk since I love both, thing is I don't compare KC to a bunch of punk bands and say they are better then them, sure I may say they are more talented instrumentalists, but thats just stating a fact, I think you're just looking for a fight.

But if its a genre you don't like then compare away!

And me dissing Indie is closed minded.

You know how many genres of music there are where technical skill is important? And you're gonna mouth off at me for poking fun at a nonexistant genre? I can't believe you.

You fail, you said indie was a catergory in music which it was a genre is.

[Expletive Deleted]

Originally Posted by Seltzer

But what about Radiohead? They're a prog band that isn't technical, and I struggle to see how they would sound technical as well. So that invalidates your post. That is... unless you haven't heard Radiohead.

In which case, you've heard a TINY amount of prog and shouldn't be flouting an opinion on it anyway.

Int - Progressive rock albums, you've been delving into?

Jonny Greenwood - Yeah I try to, all of them are awful unfortunately. I keep asking people, and keep getting recommendations for stuff but, I'm still looking. I'm just prepared to accept that there's good music in everything, except possibly, march band music, but there's basically good forms of everything. Like country and western I once decided was all terrible, and then I found these early songs from the 40s and 50s that are basically all about cocaine and women and people dying and very grim and hard core, and some of the music is great. So, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

Int - So what's it like when people say OK Computer is a progressive rock album?

JG - I don't really care what people say, very much. Progressive rock, I don't think so. If you mean it's a progression, I think The Pixies are a progression, in this kind of music, but that doesn't really mean that they sound like Genesis.

[Plays Genesis song from which the mellotron part in Exit Music comes from]
Int - It's got a lot of the same sounds and instruments that progressive rock can...

JG - [interrupting] Yeah, we stole instruments and textures, but we just don't sing about unicorns and wander off for twenty minutes on each song. If we can find new colours in records, we'll take them.

[boo boo]

Pink Floyd, Can, Hawkwind, The Residents. Those are some other prog bands who aren't exactly pouring with virtuosity.

Not all prog bands make long songs or solo excessively... Its a dumb stereotype and a very shallow understanding of the genre as a whole.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Expletive Deleted

Int - Progressive rock albums, you've been delving into?

Jonny Greenwood - Yeah I try to, all of them are awful unfortunately. I keep asking people, and keep getting recommendations for stuff but, I'm still looking. I'm just prepared to accept that there's good music in everything, except possibly, march band music, but there's basically good forms of everything. Like country and western I once decided was all terrible, and then I found these early songs from the 40s and 50s that are basically all about cocaine and women and people dying and very grim and hard core, and some of the music is great. So, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

Int - So what's it like when people say OK Computer is a progressive rock album?

JG - I don't really care what people say, very much. Progressive rock, I don't think so. If you mean it's a progression, I think The Pixies are a progression, in this kind of music, but that doesn't really mean that they sound like Genesis.

[Plays Genesis song from which the mellotron part in Exit Music comes from]
Int - It's got a lot of the same sounds and instruments that progressive rock can...

JG - [interrupting] Yeah, we stole instruments and textures, but we just don't sing about unicorns and wander off for twenty minutes on each song. If we can find new colours in records, we'll take them.

You know, according to Lemmy Kilmister, Motorhead aren't a metal band.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Seltzer

But what about Radiohead? They're a prog band that isn't technical, and I struggle to see how they would sound technical as well. So that invalidates your post. That is... unless you haven't heard Radiohead.

In which case, you've heard a TINY amount of prog and shouldn't be flouting an opinion on it anyway.

I don't see the point of arguing this any further you're just going to go "you havn't heard much prog" over and over.

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by Expletive Deleted

Int - Progressive rock albums, you've been delving into?

Jonny Greenwood - Yeah I try to, all of them are awful unfortunately. I keep asking people, and keep getting recommendations for stuff but, I'm still looking. I'm just prepared to accept that there's good music in everything, except possibly, march band music, but there's basically good forms of everything. Like country and western I once decided was all terrible, and then I found these early songs from the 40s and 50s that are basically all about cocaine and women and people dying and very grim and hard core, and some of the music is great. So, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

Int - So what's it like when people say OK Computer is a progressive rock album?

JG - I don't really care what people say, very much. Progressive rock, I don't think so. If you mean it's a progression, I think The Pixies are a progression, in this kind of music, but that doesn't really mean that they sound like Genesis.

[Plays Genesis song from which the mellotron part in Exit Music comes from]
Int - It's got a lot of the same sounds and instruments that progressive rock can...

JG - [interrupting] Yeah, we stole instruments and textures, but we just don't sing about unicorns and wander off for twenty minutes on each song. If we can find new colours in records, we'll take them.

Well, most people would consider Radiohead prog. The progression within songs, albums and even across their discography, the extreme detail put into layering/structure/texture, the concepts, the experimentalism, the innovation.. I'd say it's prog.

But I don't want to get into an argument about that. As Boo Boo pointed out, there are many prog bands which aren't technical and don't sound technical. Radiohead was just the example I put forward. Regardless if Crowquill thinks all prog bands are technical or sound technical, he clearly hasn't heard much prog.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Seltzer

Well, most people would consider Radiohead prog. The progression within songs, albums and even across their discography, the extreme detail put into layering/structure/texture, the concepts, the experimentalism, the innovation.. I'd say it's prog.

But I don't want to get into an argument about that. As Boo Boo pointed out, there are many prog bands which aren't technical and don't sound technical. Radiohead was just the example I put forward. Regardless if Crowquill thinks all prog bands are technical or sound technical, he clearly hasn't heard much prog.

Originally Posted by Crowquill

I don't see the point of arguing this any further you're just going to go "you havn't heard much prog" over and over.

lawl.