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Old 08-19-2007, 05:03 PM   #141 (permalink)
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I know I technically have no right to be calling you out on this, but if you're going to give Ethan a hard time, how can you not consider anything of this your own biased opinion? That was basically just a non-insightful, slanted rant of Ethan's taste in music and genre standards.
I'm not ranting about it - consider it my analysis. I'm not trying to be hard on him. Most of the stuff you bolded is factual - it is a fact that post rock appeals more to people who prefer atmosphere in music. And it is no secret that Crowquill doesn't tend to like most music with technical skill - it's not my biased opinion.

I think it's quite insightful. Most of the arguments here revolve around genres, but nobody actually thinks what appeals to members about those genres. Whether it's the atmosphere, technicality etc... Surely that would be of interest on a music board?

And there's nothing biased about me liking thrash metal, but not considering those bands my favourite ever. Sure it might be biased in the traditional idea that having any sort of opinion makes you biased - that's unavoidable. But it's not biased in the sense that I judge it more/less harshly in certain areas or I constantly slag it off when arguing with another member... E.g. disliking Rush is an opinion with an inevitable bias. Admitting Geddy Lee is a good musician despite disliking Rush means you're not biased in general.

And if it's any consolation, I think Crowquill should remain as a mod - I just think he needs to be more impartial. I'm not saying 'ZOMG listen to more genres'... Being unbiased doesn't mean you have to listen to every genre in existence. And I'm hoping the 'Metallica sux' thing was a one-off on his part rather than the way he always argues.
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:31 PM   #142 (permalink)
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People have opinions and it's okay to discuss them but don't consider it an affront to the board when a mod actually says something that may upset people. It's ridiculous to think that someone could say something that everyone would agree with.

Words like "technical" and "skill" are truly subjective. Dream Theatre and Dragonforce can jack off their guitars all day and call them rock operas and one person could consider it superior and the other would say it was just a bunch of dudes tremolo picking on scales with some random sweeps thrown in. It's not impossible to evoke emotion and play a technical riff at the same time. Many screamo/emo or hardcore bands have some pretty impressive guitarists. An unrelated example could be a musician such as SRV, but even then someone could get nothing out of his playing while I see it as highly involved emotionally.

It could be dumb to try and place only specific ideals into genres and say bands in said genres must have some or even any of them to qualify in that genre.
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:35 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Words like "technical" and "skill" are truly subjective. Dream Theatre and Dragonforce can jack off their guitars all day and call them rock operas and one person could consider it superior and the other would say it was just a bunch of dudes tremolo picking on scales with some random sweeps thrown in. It's not impossible to evoke emotion and play a technical riff at the same time. Many screamo/emo or hardcore bands have some pretty impressive guitarists. An unrelated example could be a musician such as SRV, but even then someone could get nothing out of his playing while I see it as highly involved emotionally.
I agree. And SRV can be quite technical while evoking emotion at the same time.

But the thing is, I don't think that it is really subjective as to whether a band has technical skill - Yngwie Malmsteen is undoubtedly technically skilled. What is subjective is whether you consider technical skill important.

I brought that up in the first place, because I think Crowquill tends to judge anything technical more harshly for whatever reasons. That's not to say that he doesn't like anything which is technical, but I think he's biased against music with high technical skill so it needs to be extra-special for him to like it; i.e. the other ideals of that type of music must appeal to him greatly.


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It could be dumb to try and place only specific ideals into genres and say bands in said genres must have some or even any of them to qualify in that genre.
If you read my original post, I said it was a general guideline. Not all of those ideals are set in stone for every band in the genre. And in the same way, you don't have to agree with all those ideals to like a genre. I like prog, but I don't agree with the 'technical skill' ideal.
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