If You Want To Know Why The Spill Your Guts Thread Was Closed Read On

[Plankton]

Originally Posted by Soulflower

For someone reason my opinions are only taken seriously when someone else here shares the same opinion.

I for one share the someone opinion.

[GuitarBizarre]

Soulflower, maybe your opinions just aren't that good. I've gone hell for leather at the mods, policies and attitudes here before. When they pulled their "hilarious" Jay Shreddz joke, I offered to put my money where my mouth is and host the entire damn forum elsewhere.

The only people I get real **** from on this forum after doing that, are non-moderators and backseat *******s. I've had some heated words with the mods here over time, and caused a lot of tension. But I've had equally as many PMs and messages from mods and ex-mods either assuring me that something I've said is being looked at internally, or that something I'd brought up had been dealt with as a problem. That includes candid admissions from many mods about their desires regards the way the place is run, and their difficulties in getting those ideas past other mods.

Like it or not, the mod committee here is run by consensus. There are some bad things about that, like the time it takes for borderline problems like Sansa, sopsych or butthead to get dealt with, because the mod team ends up like a hung jury on the issues those people cause.

But there are some really GOOD things about that, and one of those is the fact that if a mod is willing to put themselves on the line to do something drastic that they feel absolutely has to be done - they have full power and encouragement to do that as long as they're prepared to answer for it.

The moderators here are not the problem with the community. People are acting like children, arguing that they should be allowed to use all sorts of epithets and slurs and then arguing that they shouldn't be criticised for it. There are plenty of people on these forums who seemingly exist to stir the pot and start ****. There are members who repeatedly engage in the same self destructive behaviour, vomit it all over the forum, apologise and then just do it again. Members who repeatedly espouse bigoted, racist, sexist opinions and coast along on a tide of "Well he's personable" as if that makes any difference. Then there's the crowd that coasts along on a flying ****ing carpet of social justice while totally abandoning any pretense to not being an ******* in the process.

Those are the problems this forum has, among many others - but they are problems with the community first and foremost.

A very apt quote to describe the situation comes from Terry Pratchett I think:

People on the side of The People always ended up dissapointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people.
As soon as you saw people as things to be measured, they didn't measure up. What would run through the streets soon enough wouldn't be a revolution or a riot. It'd be people who were frightened and panicking. It was what happened when the machinery of city life faltered, the wheels stopped turning and all the little rules broke down. And when that happened, humans were worse than sheep. Sheep just ran; they didn't try to bite the sheep next to them.”

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I wasn't ignoring your question I was trying to get you to clarify what it was you thought I was doing wrong so I could give you a proper answer. How can I improve if you don't tell me my faults?

If you feel my first post was too strongly worded then good, that was what I was aiming for. I've been at this place a long time. I was here when the current owners took over and I am well aware of what the situation is in regards to our position with all the companies other forums maybe more so than some of the other mods who weren't here at the time. I was one of the ones who tried to convince them to let this place be somewhere where people could be free to express themselves and install things like the journals and encourage people to write things along with the other mods at the time like right-track, ethan, jackhammer, big 3 and others rather than be just another corporate website. That's the reason why I talk about forum standards and act by closing a thread sometimes when maybe some other mods will let things go. I know the hard work me and those people and others who came along later like Jansz, Ped & Tore put into this place and I don't want that hard work to go to waste

I didn't write that first post out of arrogance and I wasn't deceiving anybody. I wrote it out of knowing the situation and the history of this place, people saying to me 'please do something about this' and knowing what would happen if this place got any worse.

As for my faults, well I know I can be a bit short sometimes but then a lot of that is born out of frustration when people are asked to do something politely and just ignore it, only for them to complain when something more harsh is done. And maybe I could hold my tongue when I find someone being annoying.

I don't see anything wrong with how I debate with you or anyone else, it's funny but I could just as easily say the same things of you as you do of me. I'm stubborn, you're stubborn, But I've never made any secret of it that I like it that you're here posting. Your leaving genuinely surprised me because I was enjoying our debate and thought you were too.

I've never ever turned away any question PMed to me even if Trollheart paints me as some Ogre you and anybody else is welcome to PM me at any time if they ever want anything and I wish more people would, I would much rather be solving peoples problems like that than having to make threads like this.

No you did ignore my question. lol

I don't have to clarify anything, you just need to answer the question. lol

Why is that so hard for you?

If Janzoon can answer the question, why can't YOU?

Just answer the question and once you answer the question I will clarify.

This is not rocket science.

I don't feel your first post was worded strongly.

I feel your first post is fabricated and lacks maturity. Its ridiculous to sit here and blame everyone for a problem that is clearly a problem on your part or at least partially your part as well. Also, you were caught in a lie and you don't want to admit you were wrong.

You said you feel like you can be short sometimes but it sounds like you are glossing over some serious flaws over your role as a moderator.

[GuitarBizarre]

Soulflower, I don't think our mod team is perfect, and I don't think Urban is a perfect moderator.

But you are attacking entirely the wrong set of people if you want to contribute in any way to making this forum any better than it is. The people here are the major problem - if only because the large group of members we have here, most of whom are, frankly, not exactly Steven Hawking, can post a lot more awful, borderline, ignorant rubbish than the moderators can mismanage in the same time period.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

I told you what I felt my shortcomings were and where I could improve. All Janzsoon did was give you a list of jobs I do, If that was what you wanted why didn't you just say?

I added that if you felt I had any faults to add you were welcome to do so.

I don't spend hours of my day making long posts with the intent avoiding your questions, why would anyone do that when they can just ignore them? Any attempts I've made to address you are to answer your questions and clarify things. It's not my fault if you don't like what you are hearing.

I explained in another post why I worded the opening post the way I did, I don't feel deceiving anyone for reasons I already mentioned. You don't like that. OK fine I accept that can we move on now I can't go back in history and change it.

Official note SoulFlower didn't like the first post. OK got that now.

I also offered you the chance to PM me if you ever had a problem, I also told you I've never ignored one member yet.

That's about as best as you're going to get, I'm doing my best to accommodate you and it feels like you're not even giving me a inch and you've already made your mind up and you're not changing it. I genuinely thought my last post to you was an open and honest attempt to thaw things between us and was disappointed that it just seemed to make you feel even stronger against me. I guess I'll just have to resign myself to knowing that nothing I do is going to be good enough for you.

I suggest you deal with another mod from now on.

[James]

In like seven years of posting here, the current mod team are one of the best I've seen. I like them all, and I think they all work hard too. Aside from those that don't post anymore, although who knows what they do behind the scenes.
The mods aren't the problem, and if you're saying they are you're probably part of the problem.

[GuitarBizarre]

Originally Posted by James

In like seven years of posting here, the current mod team are one of the best I've seen. I like them all, and I think they all work hard too. Aside from those that don't post anymore, although who knows what they do behind the scenes.
The mods aren't the problem, and if you're saying they are you're probably part of the problem.

I'd like to agree, but what you've said is tantamount to slandering Right-Track and Mojo. Nobody ever modded like those guys.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

People like them are the reason this thread exists. And I think some of the newer members don't really get that.

[GuitarBizarre]

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

People like them are the reason this thread exists. And I think some of the newer members don't really get that.

Wait, this thread specifically, or the SYG thread?

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

this one