If You Want To Know Why The Spill Your Guts Thread Was Closed Read On

[Plankton]

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Before you joined this place was a mess of 15 year old Green Day fans having dumb arguments with a handful of small genuine music fans. Like I said earlier if it wasn't for people like R-T, Ethan, Big3 and the rest of them insisting this place has some kind of standards to it and introducing things like journals and creative writing and drawing up a proper moderating policy this place probably wouldn't be here now.
And I'm the only one left from that time, And I'm not prepared to see all the hours and hard work they put in go to waste.

If that makes me a bastard so be it.

Good to see their spirit lives on. This place gets a little bit... no... a lot like a damn high school assembly at times. People trying to prove themselves, and using shock value to seemingly make themselves get noticed, and then there's the garden variety well-to-do ****heads that will never be satisfied and complain and whine about every little ****ing detail of their miserable existence, and that can have a negative effect on the more sincere members who are legitimately here for an actual discussion about music. I can see how the struggle to find a middle ground for the majority of those people will always be a factor in keeping this place relevant. All I can say is more power to you for keeping the torch lit.

I really don't see what all the squawk is about over the decision to close out the SYG thread, as it was a breeding ground for a lot of the immature BS that goes on around here. I found myself sucked into it at times, and felt like like an idiot afterwards for having done so. Really, I feel you're doing as well of a job with all this as is humanly possible, and I'd have been done with it a long time ago, if I were in your shoes.

Not trying to be an ass kisser here, just giving you your due.

[Aux-In]

Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Feel free to call me a twat.
Just don't do it in every thread every day.

Hope that helps

I mean, your avatar...I couldn't even write this on some other forums, but I will write it here....


......titties.

Damn that felt good.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Just don't post any or google will nuke us

[GuitarBizarre]

Originally Posted by Soulflower

This has nothing to do with how the forum is currently ran now. You are still deflecting your faults as a moderator.

You don't solve problems by blaming others when you are in a leadership position in which YOU can make changes.

Are you going to address the two posts I made directed solely at you, or are you going to continue trying to burn the imaginary witch you're making out of Urban?

Get your shit together instead of this petty attack, and deal with people who are responding to your points.

[RoxyRollah]

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Are you going to address the two posts I made directed solely at you, or are you going to continue trying to burn the imaginary witch you're making out of Urban?

Get your shit together instead of this petty attack, and deal with people who are responding to your points.

Jen: I gotta agree with GB it feels like you are so blinded by your dislike of Richard that any thing he does won't be good enough or appease you.Food for thought.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

The moderators here are not the problem with the community. People are acting like children, arguing that they should be allowed to use all sorts of epithets and slurs and then arguing that they shouldn't be criticised for it. There are plenty of people on these forums who seemingly exist to stir the pot and start ****. There are members who repeatedly engage in the same self destructive behaviour, vomit it all over the forum, apologise and then just do it again. Members who repeatedly espouse bigoted, racist, sexist opinions and coast along on a tide of "Well he's personable" as if that makes any difference. Then there's the crowd that coasts along on a flying ****ing carpet of social justice while totally abandoning any pretense to not being an ******* in the process.

If I'm included in this, I'd just like to point out that I try to only go as far as the community is comfortable with. Even assuming I was a rape joke kinda guy, I wouldn't make them cause I know this forum doesn't tolerate that ****. But I'm a great lover of anti-PC humor, and if I feel that racist humor isn't going to rustle the forum's jimmies then I'm perfectly happy to let loose. If anyone was legitimately offended when I used "faggot" ironically in the last week or so I'd back off. All it takes is one person to give me grief and I'm perfectly happy to hold my tongue. I might take joy in good-naturedly annoying people, and if others want to really stir up **** then I may very well find amusement in that too, but I have no desire to personally create a hostile environment -- though if I feel that others are being overly sensitive in a "flying ****ing carpet of social justice" kind of way, then I will disregard their disingenuous outrage with a middle finger and a douchey gif.

But if the mods are specifically talking about some of the **** I've been saying recently as what needs to stop, then by all means, I'll tone it down. I'd just some clear guidelines. Faggot's off limits? Fine. But is it unacceptable to insinuate that Pet_Sounds is gay as a friendly jibe, even if he doesn't take offense? Can I not call Roxy a "flat-chested beaner", even if it makes her laugh? Your (Urban's) "suggestions" are kind of vague. Other people might not have to worry about pushing any envelopes, but it's pretty easy to guess that some of this might be directed at me, at least partially. If so, I need specifics. Seriously.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Jen: I gotta agree with GB it feels like you are so blinded by your dislike of Richard that any thing he does won't be good enough or appease you.Food for thought.

You know I love you too but I disagree with this.

I don't dislike Urban and Urban knows that.

I have said this plenty of times to him as well as to others on this site.

This is not about whether I like or dislike him as a person.

This is about his faults as a moderator of this site.


I don't need to be apart of personal conversations to physically see for myself that there is a visible absence of order and leadership here.

He doesn't want to admit to any faults...and that's fine.

It is hurting the forum though. Also, I did not argue that he was the ONLY problem with this forum but sorry I think its cowardly to blame members and not take any responsibility since he is in a position to make change.

[GuitarBizarre]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

If I'm included in this, I'd just like to point out that I try to only go as far as the community is comfortable with. Even assuming I was a rape joke kinda guy, I wouldn't make them cause I know this forum doesn't tolerate that ****. But I'm a great lover of anti-PC humor, and if I feel that racist humor isn't going to rustle the forum's jimmies then I'm perfectly happy to let loose. If anyone was legitimately offended when I used "faggot" ironically in the last week or so I'd back off. All it takes is one person to give me grief and I'm perfectly happy to hold my tongue. I might take joy in good-naturedly annoying people, and if others want to really stir up **** then I may very well find amusement in that too, but I personally have no desire to create a hostile environment -- though if I feel that others are being overly sensitive in a "flying ****ing carpet of social justice" kind of way, then I will disregard their disingenuous outrage with a middle finger and a douchey gif.

But if the mods are specifically talking about some of the **** I've been saying recently as what needs to stop, then by all means, I'll tone it down. I'd just some clear guidelines. Faggot's off limits? Fine. But is it unacceptable to insinuate that Pet_Sounds is gay as a friendly jibe, even if he doesn't take offense? Can I not call Roxy a "flat-chested beaner", even if it makes her laugh? Your (Urban's) "suggestions" are kind of vague. Other people might not have to worry about pushing any envelopes, but it's pretty easy to guess that some of this might be directed at me, at least partially. If so, I need specifics. Seriously.

This attitude entirely misses the point. It's not, at all, about drawing lines in the sand.

If I made some rules up that said "You can say X, but don't go as far as Y", then all that would happen is people would say X a hell of a lot more INSTEAD of Y. And they'd get off scot free under the "rules".

In reality, the problem is more often than not that people who say X far too much, consider it double standards if they're punished for it while a member that says X much less often is let slide.

That's not favouritism or poor rulemaking - it's people failing to recognise that, like Urban Said before - while he won't be offended if you call him a twat once, he'll come down on you if you KEEP DOING IT.

There's no need to outlaw given types of posts or off colour jokes. Eventually, someone is going to post a dead baby joke or something equally horrendous, on these forums. If it's a newbie with no context they'll probably get banned for it. If its a longstanding problem member, they'll probably get banned for it. If it's a longstanding borderline member, they'll probably get warned for it. If it's someone like Janszoon, where we have a long and well known track record of his actual opinions and the fact he's a perfectly nice guy whose morality doesn't endorse that sort of thing in any genuine sense, the likelihood is we'll let it go. Especially if it's clever and witty rather than just offensive and crass.

But the fact is, people need to be aware that when they're posting that sort of stuff they're playing with fire, and have nobody but themselves to blame if their hilarious jokes and knee slapping attitude gets them burned for misjudging their audience or the amount of priveledge the mods (and other members) are willing to extend to them.

[RoxyRollah]

Bat I don't think its you.Everyone knows you and I fully believe that if there was an issue with your brand of humor thered be a pm for you to knock it off.Same with me.Rather I think it becomes a problem when it becomes 20 pages of rape jokes by ppl who dont have a filter and want to top eachother.Regardless you have a filter and you use it.I can tell after 2 years reading your posts.Same as me.Now wheter you admit you have one or not is well another thing.

[GuitarBizarre]

Originally Posted by Soulflower

You know I love you too but I disagree with this.

I don't dislike Urban and Urban knows that.

I have said this plenty of times to him as well as to others on this site.

This is not about whether I like or dislike him as a person.

This is about his faults as a moderator of this site.


I don't need to be apart of personal conversations to physically see for myself that there is a visible absence of order and leadership here.

He doesn't want to admit to any faults...and that's fine.

It is hurting the forum though. Also, I did not argue that he was the ONLY problem with this forum but sorry I think its cowardly to blame members and not take any responsibility since he is in a position to make change.

Holy hell will you stop sidestepping what I said? Talking a bunch of unrelated rubbish in reply to Roxy, when she literally quoted me demanding a response to you?

Straight up, are you going to address what I said at any point, or are you going to keep doing this? Yes/No.