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Goofle 08-09-2016 01:48 PM

Id rather have better roads and services and healthcare and teaching etc. for everyone than simply funding all black people to go to college.

djchameleon 08-09-2016 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1727734)
Alright, let's say that we did the whole thing with giving black people free education. I'm not denying that aftereffects of slavery and Jim Crow and segregation and etc have hamstrung the black community to a very real extent, but whereas affirmative action, even if you support it, is at its very core an unfair practice, it does not create so massive a gap of fairness as making whites sign their life away to the student loan Nazis while giving blacks a free pass.

I'm not necessarily against free college education for all, assuming it can be made workable, but if you start with blacks then where is the end game? Do they get free education for the rest of eternity? Does one generation just get the shaft when the government decides that the policy has outlived its usefulness? Do the rest of us all of a sudden start getting education for free once there's at least a reasonable amount of equality?

I'm honestly not dead set against the idea, as like I said, the last four hundred years have dug a hole that black people are still trying to dig out of, but free education just for blacks just sounds like possibly a terrible idea.

Do you realize why there was a need for affirmative action in the first place? The regular system was already leaning heavily on giving whites that privilege, advantage and just unfair pass over other minorities. Goofle is acting like it's such a horror to only give blacks something when the way the system is, it is already in a sweet spot where whites are having an greater advantage than any other race. The only unrealistic thing about reparations is that they will NEVER occur as far as whites are in the position to stop it. They don't want to lose any of their privileges. What's wrong with free education for the rest of eternity? It creates a skilled labor force to fill jobs that severely need people. I feel like more STEM jobs would end up getting filled and it would be good for the nation as a whole.


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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1727757)
We could easily direct some of the money from our bloated military budget and be fine.

The thing about the bloated military budget is that. They keep cutting back from the troops while increasing this budget. The majority of that money goes to civilian contractor groups that are doing jobs that our troops should be doing. While they go around closing down bases and buying up more tanks and other weapons. Do you think they even care to buy more updated equipment to protect our troops? FUCK NO.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1727764)
I'm honestly not so worried about the money issue, though taking money away from "OUR TROOPS" and giving it to those damn niggers isn't going to be a winning platform for anyone looking to win an office in a non-democratic stronghold. So yeah, no matter how well the idea might work, the political climate in America still makes it virtually impossible to push through.

This is true.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727892)
Id rather have better roads and services and healthcare and teaching etc. for everyone than simply funding all black people to go to college.

That's nice and all but the government doesn't currently give a fuck about any of that. It's also nice to see where your priorities are but I guess it makes sense since you wouldn't be included in the education aspect. The current taxes that are being taken out barely go to roads and services. I don't know about the UK but in the US our infrastructure sucks ass and is in severe need of being updating but all this time they are still taking taxes away from people while not applying it to that. The crap part of taxes is that you don't get to decide what it goes to but they still come around and take it. They funnel it where ever they see fit and majority of the time those lofty things that you listed get so few of those tax dollars that they are still struggling.

William_the_Bloody 08-09-2016 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1728161)
Do you realize why there was a need for affirmative action in the first place? The regular system was already leaning heavily on giving whites that privilege, advantage and just unfair pass over other minorities. Goofle is acting like it's such a horror to only give blacks something when the way the system is, it is already in a sweet spot where whites are having an greater advantage than any other race. The only unrealistic thing about reparations is that they will NEVER occur as far as whites are in the position to stop it. They don't want to lose any of their privileges. What's wrong with free education for the rest of eternity? It creates a skilled labor force to fill jobs that severely need people. I feel like more STEM jobs would end up getting filled and it would be good for the nation as a whole.




The thing about the bloated military budget is that. They keep cutting back from the troops while increasing this budget. The majority of that money goes to civilian contractor groups that are doing jobs that our troops should be doing. While they go around closing down bases and buying up more tanks and other weapons. Do you think they even care to buy more updated equipment to protect our troops? FUCK NO.



This is true.



That's nice and all but the government doesn't currently give a fuck about any of that. It's also nice to see where your priorities are but I guess it makes sense since you wouldn't be included in the education aspect. The current taxes that are being taken out barely go to roads and services. I don't know about the UK but in the US our infrastructure sucks ass and is in severe need of being updating but all this time they are still taking taxes away from people while not applying it to that. The crap part of taxes is that you don't get to decide what it goes to but they still come around and take it. They funnel it where ever they see fit and majority of the time those lofty things that you listed get so few of those tax dollars that they are still struggling.

Free education for black Americans? Interesting idea, but it would never happen. People aren't going to vote to have their taxes raised if doesn't benefit them, particularly if they see it's going to put them at an competitive disadvantage, relative to another group in society. Even if you took the money from the defense budget, it would most likely cause animosity amongst other racial groups, not just whites.

People only have political power in so much that the Democrats or Republicans need your vote. The Democrats have had Black Americans solidly in their corner since the 1960's, so unless they threaten on mass to vote Republican if they don't get free education, no movement on that front will ever happen. Even if they did, the Democrats would risk losing solidly white working class states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin over the issue, I imagine California, Florida and New Mexico would be at risk to.

As someone who is paying off the indentured servitude of student loans, I'm a strong advocate of free post secondary education for everyone, but that is a reality in North America that will never happen. (Canada or the US) so the best we can opt for is bursaries for people coming from low income backgrounds. That and voting for parties that will lower tuition for everyone.

RoxyRollah 08-10-2016 03:49 AM

It might befinit you WTB to stop saying it'll never happen...Ive seen things in the last year I never thought would happen.

djchameleon 08-10-2016 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody (Post 1728181)
Free education for black Americans? Interesting idea, but it would never happen. People aren't going to vote to have their taxes raised if doesn't benefit them, particularly if they see it's going to put them at an competitive disadvantage, relative to another group in society. Even if you took the money from the defense budget, it would most likely cause animosity amongst other racial groups, not just whites.

People only have political power in so much that the Democrats or Republicans need your vote. The Democrats have had Black Americans solidly in their corner since the 1960's, so unless they threaten on mass to vote Republican if they don't get free education, no movement on that front will ever happen. Even if they did, the Democrats would risk losing solidly white working class states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin over the issue, I imagine California, Florida and New Mexico would be at risk to.

As someone who is paying off the indentured servitude of student loans, I'm a strong advocate of free post secondary education for everyone, but that is a reality in North America that will never happen. (Canada or the US) so the best we can opt for is bursaries for people coming from low income backgrounds. That and voting for parties that will lower tuition for everyone.

Exactly it will never happen. I don't know why other people are getting their panties twisted in a bunch over it. It's an unrealistic lofty dream that won't happen.

Reparations should have happened so long ago when the event actually occurred about banning slavery. Lincoln should have included it with the release of slaves.

Personally, I would much rather prefer my 40 acres and a mule which by today's standards should be a deed to some land and a car. I don't car if said car is a KIA but they would probably go america and give us a Ford Focus or something along those lines.

The only people that should be entitled to reparations are direct descendants of slaves and the only ones that should be footing the bill are people that are directly connected to slave owners. I know they would bitch moan and complain about paying for the sins of their fathers but your fathers fucked up and you gotta pay ho.

Cuthbert 08-10-2016 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1728236)

The only people that should be entitled to reparations are direct descendants of slaves and the only ones that should be footing the bill are people that are directly connected to slave owners. I know they would bitch moan and complain about paying for the sins of their fathers but your fathers fucked up and you gotta pay ho.

No that's ridiculous.

Blank. 08-10-2016 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1728236)
The only people that should be entitled to reparations are direct descendants of slaves and the only ones that should be footing the bill are people that are directly connected to slave owners. I know they would bitch moan and complain about paying for the sins of their fathers but your fathers fucked up and you gotta pay ho.

So... If my father passes away with a mountain of debt, by your logic, I should inherit it simply because my father fucked up in life. That's not right. Im not responsible for my father's actions.

Frownland 08-10-2016 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1728276)
So... If my father passes away with a mountain of debt, by your logic, I should inherit it simply because my father fucked up in life. That's not right. Im not responsible for my father's actions.

That is literally how the world works right now. You will likely inherit your parents' debt.

Blank. 08-10-2016 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1728282)
That is literally how the world works right now. You will likely inherit your parents' debt.

I know that. And that's not my point.

Frownland 08-10-2016 11:00 AM

I don't really agree with reparations either, but deej's model makes more sense than any other I've seen. That's because the families who owned slaves were rich as **** and it is extraordinarily likely that that wealth was carried on throughout the generations. That means that the lifestyle that these people can afford was built on the backs of slaves, I think they can share a little bit of the cut. Obviously there should be exceptions and all that when it comes down to individual cases, but you could make them exempt.

Blank. 08-10-2016 11:04 AM

Why Rich Families Lose Their Wealth

Most families squander and destroy their wealth after three to four generations.

Frownland 08-10-2016 11:09 AM

I hate when articles cite statistics without any kind of source.

Blank. 08-10-2016 11:10 AM

Look the subject up. Their are dozens of articles written on it.

Frownland 08-10-2016 11:19 AM

I just did, very difficult to find the source of that information. All I can find is some doctorate research that interviewed accountants and lawyers for rich people. It'd be cool if there were some hard numbers on this because at this point in my lazy search (looking at all the results for "why wealthy families lose their money" and "why families lose their money research"), it all sounds like conjecture and theorizing.

I'm a pretty big stickler about research methods.

Blank. 08-10-2016 11:24 AM

70% of Rich Families Lose Their Wealth by the Second Generation

And I can say from experience it's true. My great grandfather had built the company Gordmans. I haven't seen any of the money from it.

Frownland 08-10-2016 11:26 AM

I agree that it happens for sure, I'm just uncertain about the scale of it. I want the statistics themselves, not statistics about the statistics.

djchameleon 08-10-2016 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1728273)
No that's ridiculous.

Pay me what you owe me Fluffy!

I'm coming for it whether you like it or not.

The Batlord 08-10-2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1728453)
Pay me what you owe me Fluffy!

I'm coming for it whether you like it or not.

Well my family's Irish and weren't even here at the time so I don't owe you ****. You probably have more slaveowner blood in you than I do. :p:

djchameleon 08-10-2016 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1728466)
Well my family's Irish and weren't even here at the time so I don't owe you ****. You probably have more slaveowner blood in you than I do. :p:

Is your name Fluffy?

Also like I said earlier it would only pertain to slave owner descendants not you and your immigrant ancestors.

I might have slave owner blood in me but I have no clue. I'm curious to do a DNA kit to see every thing that's in my blood.

I'm pretty sure I'm Portuguese.

The Batlord 08-10-2016 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1728469)
Is your name Fluffy?

Also like I said earlier it would only pertain to slave owner descendants not you and your immigrant ancestors.

I might have slave owner blood in me but I have no clue. I'm curious to do a DNA kit to see every thing that's in my blood.

I'm pretty sure I'm Portuguese.

I think my dad is supposed to be Polish or something, so I'm a turn-of-the-20th-century immigrant mongrel.

Cuthbert 08-11-2016 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1728453)
Pay me what you owe me Fluffy!

I'm coming for it whether you like it or not.

You can do that if you want but you will not be getting a penny of the vast MLM fortune.

djchameleon 08-11-2016 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1728702)
You can do that if you want but you will not be getting a penny of the vast MLM fortune.

I'm getting more than a penny believe that.

DwnWthVwls 08-12-2016 12:02 PM

These Tiny Island Foxes Just Broke An Awesome Record

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/...che=b9ir1numhm

The Batlord 08-12-2016 12:18 PM

OMG, good news when it comes to endangered species? When did that start happening?

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1728466)
Well my family's Irish.

Was at a bar pretty drunk with an Irish co-worker on St. Patty's Day ages ago and he was flirting with a hottie. Of course he brought up his Irish heritage to her. She says, "Is it true what they say about Irish men?". Without missing a beat he replies, "Hey, I might not touch bottom but I'm gonna raise hell with the sides."

And yes, they left together.

The Batlord 08-12-2016 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1729356)
Was at a bar pretty drunk with an Irish co-worker on St. Patty's Day ages ago and he was flirting with a hottie. Of course he brought up his Irish heritage to her. She says, "Is it true what they say about Irish men?". Without missing a beat he replies, "Hey, I might not touch bottom but I'm gonna raise hell with the sides."

And yes, they left together.

Yeah that's an old joke. Quit making up anecdotes.

Frownland 08-12-2016 02:50 PM

Or maybe quit repeating them once you've mentioned them three times already.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 03:52 PM

Or maybe I don't quite remember **** I post on forums very good anymore.

:usehead:

Frownland 08-12-2016 04:31 PM

Keep better track or I will ban you and the next three generations of your family.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1729386)
Keep better track or I will ban you and the next three generations of your family.

Easier said than done bucko. Just you wait and see.

The Batlord 08-12-2016 04:44 PM

But still, that was totally just a joke you passed off as an anecdote.

Chula Vista 08-12-2016 04:54 PM

No, it was an anecdote. It's a true story. Guy's name is Mark R****s and we were at this place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccadilly_Pub

Damn! Looks like they'e gone under. We were at the Tewksbury one.

Cuthbert 08-12-2016 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1729364)
Yeah that's an old joke. Quit making up anecdotes.

How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman?

0.

Blank. 08-12-2016 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1729397)
How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman?

0.

I get it!

Key 08-12-2016 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1729399)
I get it!

I don't. And I'm irish.

Cuthbert 08-12-2016 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1729399)
I get it!

Got a load of Paddy & Murphy jokes as well.

De Oirish :cool:

Blank. 08-12-2016 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1729402)
I don't. And I'm irish.

The potato famine. There was a disease that the potatoes had gotten in ireland. It caused mass starvation and death throughout the land. Little more to it then that but that's the gist of it.

The Batlord 08-12-2016 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1729397)
How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman?

0.

:laughing:

I miss TH. For some reason Potato Famine jokes offended him, cause he's like super Irish or some ****. And don't get him started on The Troubles.

Key 08-12-2016 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1729408)
The potato famine. There was a disease that the potatoes had gotten in ireland. It caused mass starvation and death throughout the land. Little more to it then that but that's the gist of it.

I must be retarded because I still don't get it.

Blank. 08-12-2016 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1729419)
I must be retarded because I still don't get it.

If all the potatoes died off, they have no food. Therefore they have no way to feed themselves.

So no potatoes (0) kills irishmen.


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