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djchameleon 08-08-2016 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727397)
Look, it's pretty simple. Both sides have done terrible things. Palestine have done worse and act worse. Israel is the rightful owner of the land. I don't have to support their actions to understand that,

Says who?

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727397)
Back onto BLM...

https://policy.m4bl.org/

Give me free sh*t plz.

Oh how clever and original. The same "Give me free **** please" is same stupid thing that's said when welfare is brought up.

Goofle 08-08-2016 09:05 AM

Have you read the insanity? It's madness. Free lifetime education for all black people.

I'm not an expert on the Isreal/Palestine conflict but I've heard very convincing arguments supporting Israel as the rightful owner. I'll find sources when I get home.

RoxyRollah 08-08-2016 09:26 AM

No obviously he hasn't read it. It is ****ing nonsense. And you have to dig to find it. So like heres my question am I only entitled to half an acre and a trowel. Since Im half guilty of being white?

Frownland 08-08-2016 09:33 AM

A well educated populace sounds terrifying. I see why the GOP doesn't support them now.

Goofle 08-08-2016 09:37 AM

Great argument.

Psy-Fi 08-08-2016 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1726993)
I saw a bunch of white dudes from another country making a big stink about an issue that does not affect them or the black people in their country, or at least far differently than it does black people in our country. I find it hard to believe that they're anything other than middle-class college kids with nothing better to do than look for things to bitch about.

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1726998)
They are kunts for blocking the roads and disrupting the lives of families who have worked hard all year to have a holiday abroad. They are kunts for not thinking it through and realising that doing this is likely to turn people against them and not side with their cause. They are kunts for wearing t shirts saying Britain is racist when it isn't. They are kunts for jumping on the bandwagon. I honestly would have thought the London BLM protest was satire if I wasn't aware.

And what atrocity?

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1727399)
My god you are not totally gone. I was upset for blm and I don't even like them. My god 4 asshats cemented themselves together like *******s do and tied up the good hard working people on their daily commute. That's what happens when you go to college and get a worthless gender studies degree....

Also BLM have lost they motha****in minds.

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RoxyRollah 08-08-2016 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1727425)
A well educated populace sounds terrifying. I see why the GOP doesn't support them now.

You know for once Id actually like to see you say something honestly. Because if you read their psychotic demands you might actually be forced to say hey yeah these bitches nuts. And then omg someone might brand you a racisit...which we all kno w is a fate worse than death in this day and age... Can't walk alone? Gotta have a posse hunh? Sheep.

Frownland 08-08-2016 10:03 AM

I legitimately think that an educated populace is a good thing. I'm not sure why you would think that's disingenous.

Goofle 08-08-2016 10:08 AM

Great argument.

Chula Vista 08-08-2016 10:15 AM

Oh look, the conservative refers to a liberal as sheep.

*yawn*

Frownland 08-08-2016 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1727440)
Oh look, the conservative refers to a liberal as sheep.

*yawn*

You and Roxxy are sheep of a different colour. It's not a liberal/conservative thing.

Blank. 08-08-2016 10:29 AM

Actually agreeing with frown on that.

RoxyRollah 08-08-2016 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1727442)
You and Roxxy are sheep of a different colour. It's not a liberal/conservative thing.

Brother both of us have more guts, heart, and balls than you could ever imagine. You have no ****ing idea how hard it is to be truely honest in a place where you are mocked for being honest. Don't ever again in your life make the mistake that we are sheep darlin, we are non indoctrinated people who take the time to educate themselves about what is going on in the world, look at it disscuss it agree or dissagree peacefully without insult hurling and have very deep conversations about a whole world of possibilities. Also you just now caught on to the two party politburo train that I was talking about 400 pages ago. All you have against us is character assassination, and stereotypical comments to be used as a way of making us look dumb in your oh so well educated mind. Bare in mind both us put our money where our mouth is....what the **** have you done lately except spew self conflicting agruments? Not a damn thing because if you had youd be forced to admit you just might be wrong every once and a while.

Key 08-08-2016 10:46 AM

Roxy's posts are always tl;dr.

RoxyRollah 08-08-2016 10:48 AM

Insightful..^

Frownland 08-08-2016 10:50 AM

So defensive and victimized Roxxy. Do you need a safe space?

You are two sides of the political parrot and equally blind. I wouldn't say so if you two didn't post things that point directly to my statement being true.

RoxyRollah 08-08-2016 10:51 AM

No you do, jealousy green is an awful color on you.

Frownland 08-08-2016 10:53 AM

I thought you left anyway? Something about not being able to handle people who are critical of your whiny tirades? Talk about self conflicting.

RoxyRollah 08-08-2016 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1727451)
So defensive and victimized Roxxy. Do you need a safe space?

Thats not me bein a victim pimp thats me standing by my statements on this site even when you have all poltically gangbanged me multiple times. I dont give a **** what yer opinons are as long as you are honest. And to be fair 7-10 times you just say stuff to prove to yourself how intellectual you are. I say what I see. God gave me 2 ears, 2, eyes and one mouth bro.

RoxyRollah 08-08-2016 10:56 AM

I left because we let this place go to **** and drove some of our best members the **** away.

Frownland 08-08-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1727455)
Thats not me bein a victim pimp thats me standing by my statements on this site even when you have all poltically gangbanged me multiple times. I dont give a **** what yer opinons are as long as you are honest. And to be fair 7-10 times you just say stuff to prove to yourself how intellectual you are. I say what I see. God gave me 2 ears, 2, eyes and one mouth bro.

So you can't handle reality ergo you need a special safe space that's more your speed. Got it.

Tristan_Geoff 08-08-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1727455)
Thats not me bein a victim pimp thats me standing by my statements on this site even when you have all poltically gangbanged me multiple times. I dont give a **** what yer opinons are as long as you are honest. And to be fair 7-10 times you just say stuff to prove to yourself how intellectual you are. I say what I see. God gave me 2 ears, 2, eyes and one mouth bro.

Well god gave me 3 howsa bout that?

The Batlord 08-08-2016 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1727448)
Brother both of us have more guts, heart, and balls than you could ever imagine. You have no ****ing idea how hard it is to be truely honest in a place where you are mocked for being honest. Don't ever again in your life make the mistake that we are sheep darlin, we are non indoctrinated people who take the time to educate themselves about what is going on in the world, look at it disscuss it agree or dissagree peacefully without insult hurling and have very deep conversations about a whole world of possibilities. Also you just now caught on to the two party politburo train that I was talking about 400 pages ago. All you have against us is character assassination, and stereotypical comments to be used as a way of making us look dumb in your oh so well educated mind. Bare in mind both us put our money where our mouth is....what the **** have you done lately except spew self conflicting agruments? Not a damn thing because if you had youd be forced to admit you just might be wrong every once and a while.

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1727455)
Thats not me bein a victim pimp thats me standing by my statements on this site even when you have all poltically gangbanged me multiple times. I dont give a **** what yer opinons are as long as you are honest. And to be fair 7-10 times you just say stuff to prove to yourself how intellectual you are. I say what I see. God gave me 2 ears, 2, eyes and one mouth bro.


Drama queen much?

djchameleon 08-08-2016 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727419)
Have you read the insanity? It's madness. Free lifetime education for all black people.

I'm not an expert on the Isreal/Palestine conflict but I've heard very convincing arguments supporting Israel as the rightful owner. I'll find sources when I get home.

Yes provide these sources because the conflict between Israel and Palestine is not a simple thing to just to brushed over. I'm not afraid to admit I don't know everything about it but educate yourself on the issue just as I will. Roxy claims that others are afraid to educate themselves but it looks like you need to do so as well.

Free lifetime education? What's wrong with that? It's better than asking for 40 acres and a mule. Is it that you don't want to see people enlightened and educated or is it that you feel slighted that you won't be included in this free education. I'm guessing you weren't a Bernie supporter either when he was going around touting the same message. Did people turn around and call him mad for wanting free education? Go look at the other countries that offer free college education to their residents. Are they mad as well for doing something that is very important? I don't hear you calling those countries mad.

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1727422)
So like heres my question am I only entitled to half an acre and a trowel. Since Im half guilty of being white?

If I had it my way, you wouldn't get shit! But there is the only stupid one drop rule that applies so I guess you can technically get everything a black person gets. You shouldn't be able to when you are a self hating black person. White guilt isn't an issue for you, it's you denying your black half.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1727425)
A well educated populace sounds terrifying. I see why the GOP doesn't support them now.

Exactly! :clap:

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1727435)
You know for once Id actually like to see you say something honestly. Because if you read their psychotic demands you might actually be forced to say hey yeah these bitches nuts. And then omg someone might brand you a racisit...which we all kno w is a fate worse than death in this day and age... Can't walk alone? Gotta have a posse hunh? Sheep.

It seems like you are the only one here with the posse. You only jumped in to tag team me with Goofle. It's okay to have differing opinions. I don't get where your honesty meter comes in and you deter what is and what isn't honest. Is it only honesty if the person agrees with your opinion and doesn't question a single thing?

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1727455)
Thats not me bein a victim pimp thats me standing by my statements on this site even when you have all poltically gangbanged me multiple times. I dont give a **** what yer opinons are as long as you are honest. And to be fair 7-10 times you just say stuff to prove to yourself how intellectual you are. I say what I see. God gave me 2 ears, 2, eyes and one mouth bro.

Again the honesty meter comes into play. What's your determining factor on someone's opinion being honest or not? You say you don't care about what our opinions are but if they don't agree with yours, they seem to not be honest.

The Batlord 08-08-2016 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1727469)
If I had it my way, you wouldn't get shit! But there is the only stupid one drop rule that applies so I guess you can technically get everything a black person gets. You shouldn't be able to when you are a self hating black person. White guilt isn't an issue for you, it's you denying your black half.

This isn't actually serious, right?

Goofle 08-08-2016 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1727469)
Yes provide these sources because the conflict between Israel and Palestine is not a simple thing to just to brushed over. I'm not afraid to admit I don't know everything about it but educate yourself on the issue just as I will. Roxy claims that others are afraid to educate themselves but it looks like you need to do so as well.

I did look it up and I found many examples of people saying Israel rightfully belongs to the Jews. The problem is you typically end up looking at walls of text on a Yahoo answers webpage or some articles from the early days of the internet.

I've watched quite a few talks from people like David Horowitz that you may or may not want to take your time to watch. It's a tad hardcore though.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon
Free lifetime education? What's wrong with that? It's better than asking for 40 acres and a mule. Is it that you don't want to see people enlightened and educated or is it that you feel slighted that you won't be included in this free education. I'm guessing you weren't a Bernie supporter either when he was going around touting the same message. Did people turn around and call him mad for wanting free education? Go look at the other countries that offer free college education to their residents. Are they mad as well for doing something that is very important? I don't hear you calling those countries mad.

1. It wouldn't be free. Taxes would be raised with only one section of the population benefiting from it.

2. I don't think "reparations" are necessarily required so It's not about one vs the other.

3. Why would anybody care if more Black people started going into College? That's not the point at all and you know it. Aside from the obvious insanity of saying "Free education for life" and dropping the mic, separating based on race is horrifying.

4. Of course I am not a Bernie supporter. People did call him mad for asking for "Free education". And none of the countries Bernie used as examples actually has "Free education".

djchameleon 08-08-2016 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727479)
I did look it up and I found many examples of people saying Israel rightfully belongs to the Jews. The problem is you typically end up looking at walls of text on a Yahoo answers webpage or some articles from the early days of the internet.

I've watched quite a few talks from people like David Horowitz that you may or may not want to take your time to watch. It's a tad hardcore though.

I will watch it in an hour or so. I don't mind hearing what others have to say on the subject. I'm not as closed minded as you think I am.

Information from the early days of the internet still apply to this issue because it's a conflict that has been going on for what seems like FOREVER.


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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727479)
1. It wouldn't be free. Taxes would be raised with only one section of the population benefiting from it.

Yes, it technically wouldn't be free and of course it has to be paid for so a tax increase to have college education for an entire part of the population wouldn't be bad. Also in the US it is only 13% of the population but I don't think they are saying just black people but all minorities.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727479)
2. I don't think "reparations" are necessarily required so It's not about one vs the other.

Yeah just fuck black people for all the troubles they went through during slavery right? Also the long term effects of slavery that still exist to this day and age.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727479)
3. Why would anybody care if more Black people started going into College? That's not the point at all and you know it. Aside from the obvious insanity of saying "Free education for life" and dropping the mic, separating based on race is horrifying.

I don't get this statement maybe I'm reading it wrong or reading into it too much but you are saying that you don't care about more people going to college? Or are you just faux concerned about how it's going to be paid for when you don't live in this country and don't have to contribute taxes towards it. The US already separates based on race so this thing that you think is horrifying already exists right now as we speak.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727479)
4. Of course I am not a Bernie supporter. People did call him mad for asking for "Free education". And none of the countries Bernie used as examples actually has "Free education".

I don't recall the countries that he used as examples but they are out there and yes they may have higher taxes to pay for it but it's worth it. I don't see the negative side of it.

Chula Vista 08-08-2016 01:18 PM

Pokemon bitches.

Goofle 08-08-2016 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1727500)
I don't get this statement maybe I'm reading it wrong or reading into it too much but you are saying that you don't care about more people going to college? Or are you just faux concerned about how it's going to be paid for when you don't live in this country and don't have to contribute taxes towards it. The US already separates based on race so this thing that you think is horrifying already exists right now as we speak.

I'm saying people disagreeing with the idea aren't necessarily doing so because they are racist. The contention is that one specific race is getting preferential treatment and everyone has to pay for it.

And I actually don't think that more people going to College is necessarily a good thing. It depends what subject you are choosing. I did a terrible subject myself and regret those decisions almost every day of my life.

djchameleon 08-09-2016 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727595)
I'm saying people disagreeing with the idea aren't necessarily doing so because they are racist. The contention is that one specific race is getting preferential treatment and everyone has to pay for it.

When did I say this? One race is getting preferential treatment right now and everyone pays for it. I don't see the problem with what they are proposing.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727595)
And I actually don't think that more people going to College is necessarily a good thing. It depends what subject you are choosing. I did a terrible subject myself and regret those decisions almost every day of my life.


I feel like that's the most backward thinking ever. Just because you chose to pick a bad subject that you didn't follow through with other people should attend college and go into the STEM programs that they want to? I get that college isn't for everyone but to have the opportunity to have access to the same privilege that others have and that you were afforded isn't a bad thing.


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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727595)
I've watched quite a few talks from people like David Horowitz that you may or may not want to take your time to watch. It's a tad hardcore though.

I can already tell I'm going to hate this guy. This is nonsense and I'm only five mins in.

Anyways, I did my own research and of course you'd back the Israeli's because they are basically imperialists and maybe it strikes back to something inherent within you where you loved when the UK was going around taking land that didn't belong to them. The Palestinians and the Jordanians owned that land before they were pushed out by the Israeli's who believed the land is their holy land.

Goofle 08-09-2016 11:14 AM

Nobody is getting preferential treatment right now, except those who benefit from scholarships.

The rest of that isn't really a counter argument.

Frownland 08-09-2016 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1727726)
Nobody is getting preferential treatment right now, except those who benefit from scholarships.

*facepalm*

The Batlord 08-09-2016 11:24 AM

Alright, let's say that we did the whole thing with giving black people free education. I'm not denying that aftereffects of slavery and Jim Crow and segregation and etc have hamstrung the black community to a very real extent, but whereas affirmative action, even if you support it, is at its very core an unfair practice, it does not create so massive a gap of fairness as making whites sign their life away to the student loan Nazis while giving blacks a free pass.

I'm not necessarily against free college education for all, assuming it can be made workable, but if you start with blacks then where is the end game? Do they get free education for the rest of eternity? Does one generation just get the shaft when the government decides that the policy has outlived its usefulness? Do the rest of us all of a sudden start getting education for free once there's at least a reasonable amount of equality?

I'm honestly not dead set against the idea, as like I said, the last four hundred years have dug a hole that black people are still trying to dig out of, but free education just for blacks just sounds like possibly a terrible idea.

Frownland 08-09-2016 11:33 AM

It stops when all of the white people are either in chains or dead.

I don't think it should be based on race. I also think that calling it "free college" is incredibly misleading. Do you consider police, roads, and government services like the DMV to be free too? Because they are not.

The Batlord 08-09-2016 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1727745)
It stops when all of the white people are either in chains or dead.

I don't think it should be based on race. I also think that calling it "free college" is incredibly misleading. Do you consider police, roads, and government services like the DMV to be free too? Because they are not.

Yes, and the government takes money from our checks every single time to keep those up. You can't just go raising taxes all willy nilly and expect nothing bad to happen, especially when you're doing so for a cause that would result in the morons worshipping Trump to all but riot.

Even if it's a good idea it's still politically untenable.

Frownland 08-09-2016 11:39 AM

We could easily direct some of the money from our bloated military budget and be fine.

The Batlord 08-09-2016 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1727757)
We could easily direct some of the money from our bloated military budget and be fine.

I'm honestly not so worried about the money issue, though taking money away from "OUR TROOPS" and giving it to those damn niggers isn't going to be a winning platform for anyone looking to win an office in a non-democratic stronghold. So yeah, no matter how well the idea might work, the political climate in America still makes it virtually impossible to push through.

Frownland 08-09-2016 11:48 AM

To those people I say: tough shit.

The Batlord 08-09-2016 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1727773)
To those people I say: tough shit.

Well that's sort of the rub of politics. Even if the other side are *******s, they're still there and you have to deal with them. Just saying "tough ****" solves nothing.

Frownland 08-09-2016 12:02 PM

Well ja you'll still have to implement whatever you're doing as you tell them "tough shit."


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