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Black on black crime is the epidemic.
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How is this issue being exploited when it has never been addressed? I think the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown deaths have brought have highlighted an issue that needs to be addressed which I think is LONG overdue. |
Love all of these matter of fact statements about what went down between Martin and Zimmerman once they finally stood face to face. Funny, I followed the trial and don't remember any of you being called to the witness stand.
The only injury that Martin had was the gunshot would. These are the injuries that Zimmerman sustained. We don't know what immediately led up to this but it's pretty obvious from the evidence (including the forensic evidence that Martin was on top when he was shot) that Zimmerman was getting his ass handed to him at one point. Was it his own fault - sure. Doesn't erase the fact though. http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ap_g...1204_wblog.jpg http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-...y-Fox-News.jpg |
man i hate getting into these line for line type arguments. i know i'm gonna end up regretting this.
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The majority of black males that are murdered were murdered by other black males. there is no stat that contradicts that. i find it sad that blacks can become so angry about a white cop shooting a black kid who may or may not have deserved it but when a black kid kills another black kid over something completely stupid, those same blacks rioting in the streets have NOTHING to say about that. If they showed the same outrage for black-on-black crime that they do towards the far less frequent white-on-black crime, we wouldn't have so much black-on-black crime.
That said, I live in Detroit in a PREDOMINANTLY black neighborhood and have lived here for going on 17 years now. I have never been robbed, never been invaded, never been threatened or cat-called in my neighborhood. I get along with my neighbors. I frequently forget to lock my doors when I leave and once even forgot to close the door and was gone all day and still nothing happened. There are no gangs here, no shootings. There's some crime--there's crime everywhere--but nothing serious. I do not own a gun, never have, and do not plan on owning one. Yes, there are parts of Detroit to stay out of--at least after dark--but go to Vermont and you'll find the same types of areas all populated by whites. So let's not blow this black crime thing out of proportion. |
What makes ya'll think that black people don't think black on black crime is an issue? This has ALWAYS been an issue that has been brought up. Whether it is influenced by rap music, classicism, etc
However, Some of yall seem to think that excuses a bull**** verdict such as the one we heard tonight. It still does not change that black males are unfairly targeted by the police. |
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When he shot Martin, Martin would have had to be standing over him pounding his head on the pavement. Martin then would have collapsed on top of Zimmerman and bled all over him. Where is Martin's blood on Zimmerman? In fact, an eyewitness claimed to see Zimmerman getting off Martin rather than getting out from under him. Zimmerman claimed he was the one screaming for help. Aside from the fact, it is clearly not Zimmerman's voice, it is physically impossible to scream when your head is being pounded on the pavement again and again. He lied. Martin died. That adds up to murder. |
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And at least ten other witnesses have backed up the officers version of events? |
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I wonder why the grand jury didn't use them. |
I assume that the verdict was reached on forensic evidence which, unlike eyewitness testimony, is reliable.
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I thought this was an excellent thing his parents said:
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^so much with that. and dashboard cams. The police need to be policed, too.
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The circumstances are wildly different. Black on black crime isn't the same as white figures of authority getting away with killing young black males.
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Ferguson has had a racial division for YEARS. It is one of the most racist locations in America. I personally don't think these two situations have been exploited. I think the media attention has brought attention to a problem. Racism very much still exists and the law enforcement in this country is still not fair for certain populations/cultures. |
fair point, i was referring more to the zimmerman case tbh.
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How do you know they are not outrage? I am a African American and black on black crime is an issue that is very much talked about in my community. It is also an issue that should be addressed. I have never denied that. However, I think that issue is rooted in a lot of classicism and the socioeconomic unprivileged that plagues certain communities due to poverty. |
Being poor doesn't equate to being bad. There's no correlation there. Some of the best people who have ever lived on this earth were poor. Being bad has to do with choosing to be bad. Poverty is just an excuse. (And, yes, I grew up very poor white trash but chose not to go down the road of juvenile delinquency that many of my black and white friends chose.)
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being poor gives people a pretty good incentive to be bad though.
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Fine. But in the end, it comes down to personal choice.
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obviously. but the crime problem is pretty much systematic. i mean yea everything comes down to personal choice but you can create environments where really you should expect to see negative results. you know the thing einstein said about insanity being doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. pretty much sums a lot of our crime problems up.
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Actually there is. There are higher crime rates in low income neighborhoods and communities stricken by poverty compared to richer communities. That is FACT. That is largely due to the classicism and racism in this country. |
There is a statistical correlation, but there is no moral correlation. An individual doesn't get a free pass to commit crime simply because he is poor.
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No it does not but it does give us a better understanding as to why there are higher crime rates in these communities. |
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If you grow up poor, surrounded by poverty, never or rarely seeing people you relate to achieve a sense of worth in society, seeing people you relate to targeted for violence, participating in crime, being portrayed as criminals, etc. it's pretty unlikely that you'll think you have alternatives. And that's a pretty understandable, though not excusing, conclusion to make. Choice isn't the issue, it's culture. And your statement is a perfect example of that culture's damaging attitude. |
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I was surrounded by and grew up knowing only one thing -- my life as an adult now in no way resembles the rest of my extended family or the community I once lived in. I broke away and made my own decisions. If I can do it, anyone can. If I can create a positive life which is the exact opposite of the childhood environment I grew up in, anyone can. |
All they had to do was charge the officer, he was responsible for the death of a young man which caused riots, and violence. Just think about that, think about it real hard, he's walking around right now without consequence even after all the pain and suffering he's caused. I guarantee you that more people will die because they refused to even charge this man, and he will be responsible for even more bloodshed.
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