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Old 03-24-2018, 05:56 PM   #10941 (permalink)
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questionable when the candidate that received the most votes lost
Considering that no democratic constitution is written in a politic vacuum, and the electoral college was created to convince small states to ratify ours, I'd say it was a pretty clear result of the democratic process in a way. Throw in the American people's ignoring of gerrymandering and voting away our sovereignty couldn't be more democratic.

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and our representative make up doesn't reflect the majority will
If enough people are willing to vote for Donald Trump that he can get elected, then electoral college or no electoral college there is something very wrong with the human race.
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Old 03-24-2018, 06:37 PM   #10942 (permalink)
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A bunch of land owning elites drafting up a form of representation that most benefits them is a "clear result" of Democracy?

a pretty small percentage of people actually went out and cast a vote for Trump when you factor in the popular vote loss and those that abstained
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Old 03-24-2018, 07:06 PM   #10943 (permalink)
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A bunch of land owning elites drafting up a form of representation that most benefits them is a "clear result" of Democracy?
Again, no constitution is written in a political vacuum. Would you consider the amount of women currently in congress to be a democratic representation of our population? ****'s never what we want, but all of these people are still voted for democratically.

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a pretty small percentage of people actually went out and cast a vote for Trump when you factor in the popular vote loss and those that abstained
Our country has a long and storied history of half the populace staying home on election day. It might even lead one to think that people really don't want any of this democracy business and would rather give up all the responsibility and effort required in remaining informed and deciding the future of an entire country. But they grew up in a country that tells them that democracy and the will of the people is what they want so they think they want it cause why would it occur to them that what they really want is to be led. Who the **** cares who the people voted for tbh?

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Old 03-24-2018, 07:13 PM   #10944 (permalink)
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if the popular vote loses, if the majority will is ignored

you can't go and tout that as a failure of democracy

it's like suffering brain damage in a scooter accident and blaming the helmet you didn't wear
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Old 03-24-2018, 07:26 PM   #10946 (permalink)
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if the popular vote loses, if the majority will is ignored

you can't go and tout that as a failure of democracy

it's like suffering brain damage in a scooter accident and blaming the helmet you didn't wear
The electoral college is not something people are ignorant of. Dubya getting elected through electoral win but popular loss put it very much at the forefront of political discussion, and yet it still exists. If the people cared enough to make it an issue then I imagine there would have at least been an attempt to do something about it, but we're content to leave things as they are cause **** it we can still buy bread and TVs, so yeah I'd say that's democratic. The people have spoken on the electoral college, and our response is, "Meh".
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if the popular vote loses, if the majority will is ignored

you can't go and tout that as a failure of democracy

it's like suffering brain damage in a scooter accident and blaming the helmet you didn't wear
^ LOL This is a wonderful analogy. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to apply it to what you're talking about.
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The electoral college is not something people are ignorant of. Dubya getting elected through electoral win but popular loss put it very much at the forefront of political discussion, and yet it still exists. If the people cared enough to make it an issue then I imagine there would have at least been an attempt to do something about it, but we're content to leave things as they are cause **** it we can still buy bread and TVs, so yeah I'd say that's democratic. The people have spoken on the electoral college, and our response is, "Meh".
it would take a constitutional amendment that the less populated states would have to agree to

if you put it up to straight popular vote it's totally possible the electoral college would be abolished
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Who cares if the majority would vote for something if given the option on a silver platter they never had to work for? That's not how democracy works. In order to overcome all of the political obstacles to any reform the people have to actually try: become informed and engaged, vote intelligently, write their representatives, etc. Which you know full well is never going to happen if 50-60% of the population don't even bother to vote in the first place.
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there's a lot that goes into low voter turnout

it's not as simple as apathy
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