The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Well, a secretary? Isn't that going a bit too far? Was she personally involved in any of the atrocities or did she just "work there"? I mean, what next? Indict the 94-year old guy who delivered post to the German staff? Execute the guy who delivered the bread? Shoot the two people who knocked at the gates asking if they wanted to change their broadband supp - oh. Wait.

Seriously though. Revenge can go too far, no? Some people worked under the Nazi flag because they had no other choice, and while yes, she surely turned a blind eye to what went on, and would be technically complicit in the crimes, she's hardly the same as a Totenkopfkommando or whatever who pushed people into the showers or sorted through their belongings when the ovens had cooled down, is she? Soft target?

Also, lol at a 95-year old being tried at a juvenile court!

I think the strongest argument in favor of her prosecution is for the sake of historical accuracy. They’re already protecting her anonymity. A lot of people died in a process she was a part of. If she’s legally cleared a historian might be drawn to false conclusions. Obviously, it’s a time and place where precise historical accuracy is paramount.

[jwb]

Why did it take them so long then? She's about to die anyway. Seems like some sorta PR stunt. I thought leftists believed criminal justice is about rehabilitation not retribution.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by jwb

Why did it take them so long then? She's about to die anyway. Seems like some sorta PR stunt. I thought leftists believed criminal justice is about rehabilitation not retribution.

The Jewish insistence on a tireless never ending quest to bring every last war criminal to justice is not a part of a leftist agenda.

[jwb]

I know but I'm saying for people on the left who cheer it on cause **** nazis

I understand why jewish people would want retribution but that's what this is. You aren't fixing **** by prosecuting this broad 70 years after the fact. It's not setting any sorta precedent or making society safer. Its purely revenge at this point. And if you want revenge then fair enough but call it what it is. Might as well skip the formality of a trial and just put a bullet in her head.

[Trollheart]

Let's be honest though: what are they gonna do? Jail her for a few years till she dies? At best she might last another five; are they really going to incarcerate a nonogerian? From a purely logistical point of view, look at all the extra medical care they'd need to give her in prison. And what about Covid? As a person of a very advanced age, isn't she going to be very vulnerable to that? Put her in a cell and she will probably die of the virus.

Why not give her a chance to state her case, issue an apology and leave it at that? Of course it won't bring back the dead, but isn't this just a case of prosecuting any lower (really lower) level functionary they can still find, just to be kind of bloody-minded about it? I don't mean to offend the descendants of any Jews who may have had people die in the camps, but doesn't there come a time when you stop pointing the finger of blame and extend the hand of conciliation instead?

I saw a programme where a female guard met one of the prisoners she used to deal with, and they had a sort of forgiveness and understanding thing that was quite beautiful. What is sentencing and imprisoning - or sentencing to death, I don't know if that's still a thing - an old old woman for being peripherally involved in the machinery of mass murder over seventy-five years ago really going to achieve?

[OccultHawk]

Well they’re going to call it “justice” not “revenge” but sure there’s a lot of overlap.

Might as well skip the formality of a trial and just put a bullet in her head.

I’m sure there are a lot of people who would consider that too merciful as well as distasteful. If they don’t have to do it in a way that would leave a bad taste in their mouths why would they?

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Let's be honest though: what are they gonna do? Jail her for a few years till she dies? At best she might last another five; are they really going to incarcerate a nonogerian? From a purely logistical point of view, look at all the extra medical care they'd need to give her in prison. And what about Covid? As a person of a very advanced age, isn't she going to be very vulnerable to that? Put her in a cell and she will probably die of the virus.

Why not give her a chance to state her case, issue an apology and leave it at that? Of course it won't bring back the dead, but isn't this just a case of prosecuting any lower (really lower) level functionary they can still find, just to be kind of bloody-minded about it? I don't mean to offend the descendants of any Jews who may have had people die in the camps, but doesn't there come a time when you stop pointing the finger of blame and extend the hand of conciliation instead?

I saw a programme where a female guard met one of the prisoners she used to deal with, and they had a sort of forgiveness and understanding thing that was quite beautiful. What is sentencing and imprisoning - or sentencing to death, I don't know if that's still a thing - an old old woman for being peripherally involved in the machinery of mass murder over seventy-five years ago really going to achieve?

Those are good points but on the other hand... it was the ****ing holocaust... you could make a strong argument that Germany got off lightly. If the Allies had had a different temperament they might not even be country anymore.

Regarding the program you saw: an individual may decide to forgive but for
something like this there’s no collective body that has the moral authority to offer forgiveness on a broad scale. It’s not like present day Israel has an actively anti German government. And we’d can’t ask the millions who were murdered to weigh in.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Well they’re going to call it “justice” not “revenge” but sure there’s a lot of overlap.



I’m sure there are a lot of people who would consider that too merciful as well as distasteful. If they don’t have to do it in a way that would leave a bad taste in their mouths why would they?

that gets back to what's the point of justice? You can't just hide behind the word. What do you mean by it? What purpose does it serve?

As for the last point, i don't respect bull**** formalities and theatrics. Its phony to me. If you want revenge then take revenge. If you can't handle the bad taste in your mouth from watching your enemy killed then you don't really deserve revenge in the first place cause your hearts not in it.

[OccultHawk]

If you can't handle the bad taste in your mouth from watching your enemy killed then you don't really deserve revenge in the first place cause your hearts not in it.

lol I hear ya but I mean this isn’t the landlord ripping off your deposit type of **** though

[jwb]

All the more reason why you should be able to stomach giving her a good bullet to the head.