The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

Trollheart · 01-02-2023, 05:17 AM

Jeez, jwb! Probably terrified they're going to get attacked on the street for being different and nobody in their state is going to do anything about it. Terrified that if they go to the cops the guardians of the law may sneer and think they had it coming. Terrified to be isolated when you're in danger and nobody wants to help you, and so many others want to join in hurting you. I reckon that's what they mean. Among other things, like being disenfranchised and an attempt to scrub them from history, which is going on right now.

Queen Boo · 01-02-2023, 08:40 AM

Transition has been a dead end for me for almost a decade because there are no resources for trans people where I live, no trans community and my family is not very supportive, and now I'm more terrified than ever that I will never reach my goals, whether it's my access to trans healthcare being taken away from me due to anti-trans bills or the risk of me being assaulted in public if I present femininely in any way.

My new years resolution is to get on HRT at any cost, it's make or break for me now.

~~jwb~~ · 01-02-2023, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Jeez, jwb! Probably terrified they're going to get attacked on the street for being different and nobody in their state is going to do anything about it. Terrified that if they go to the cops the guardians of the law may sneer and think they had it coming. Terrified to be isolated when you're in danger and nobody wants to help you, and so many others want to join in hurting you. I reckon that's what they mean. Among other things, like being disenfranchised and an attempt to scrub them from history, which is going on right now.

Yeah I wasn't suggesting it's not worth being afraid of just because it's not a genocide. Do you have any thing to add other than pearl clutching and posturing?

~~jwb~~ · 01-02-2023, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Queen Boo

Transition has been a dead end for me for almost a decade because there are no resources for trans people where I live, no trans community and my family is not very supportive, and now I'm more terrified than ever that I will never reach my goals, whether it's my access to trans healthcare being taken away from me due to anti-trans bills or the risk of me being assaulted in public if I present femininely in any way.

My new years resolution is to get on HRT at any cost, it's make or break for me now.

that sounds like something you probably would've faced even more so 20 years ago tbh. Like for the umpteenth time my point isn't and hasn't been that they don't face discrimination or even that the rhetoric isn't ramping up.

But I think they are making significant progress and that's why they are facing backlash. I think it's undeniable the massive shift in people's thinking in the direction of being more accepting of trans people that has happened over the last decade or so. Do you disagree with that?

Trollheart · 01-02-2023, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Yeah I wasn't suggesting it's not worth being afraid of just because it's not a genocide. Do you have any thing to add other than pearl clutching and posturing?

No. I'm just pointing out that you were being insensitive, basically asking them "Afraid of what?" as if there's nothing to be afraid of.

Here, you can have this pearl: I'm done clutching it. No, you won't catch anything! Well, probably not.

~~jwb~~ · 01-02-2023, 01:25 PM

The reason I asked was to pinpoint exactly the level of danger she was pointing to. Because we happen to be in the middle of a discussion on whether there is currently and/or is going to be a genocide in the near future. In case you are unaware, there are people who believe we are already in the beginning stages. So when some one comes in with I'm more scared now then I ever have been, yeah I want them to get a little more specific about what they're afraid of. Cause it could people people on trains headed to camps, or it could be the answer she gave about medical **** etc. I do think there's a drastic difference there and even if it's insensitive it needs to be pointed out.

I think there is a tendency for progressives to always err on the side of the more extreme talking point whenever talking about oppression or discrimination. Because the more extremely you present things, the more "serious" you are taking them. But I think there is definitely a danger in throwing words like genocide loosely. It can unironically lead to civil conflict.

Trollheart · 01-02-2023, 02:34 PM

That's a fair reply. I can understand your opinion there; maybe it was just that the question seemed, to me at least, to be framed in a sort of sneering way? Anyway, I accept your explanation, or clarification, or ****-you, or whatever you want to call it.

Comus · 01-03-2023, 09:59 AM

Taliban 'Worried About Andrew Tate' as They Ask for His Freedom I mean wtf.

~~jwb~~ · 01-03-2023, 10:33 PM

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Queen Boo · 01-04-2023, 02:09 AM

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Taliban 'Worried About Andrew Tate' as They Ask for His Freedom I mean wtf.

Why should anyone be surprised by this? Their values are pretty much the same.

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Jeez, jwb! Probably terrified they're going to get attacked on the street for being different and nobody in their state is going to do anything about it. Terrified that if they go to the cops the guardians of the law may sneer and think they had it coming. Terrified to be isolated when you're in danger and nobody wants to help you, and so many others want to join in hurting you. I reckon that's what they mean. Among other things, like being disenfranchised and an attempt to scrub them from history, which is going on right now. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	That's a fair reply. I can understand your opinion there; maybe it was just that the question seemed, to me at least, to be framed in a sort of sneering way? Anyway, I accept your explanation, or clarification, or ***-you, or whatever you want to call it. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018*

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01-02-2023, 01:25 PM	#23596 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	The reason I asked was to pinpoint exactly the level of danger she was pointing to. Because we happen to be in the middle of a discussion on whether there is currently and/or is going to be a genocide in the near future. In case you are unaware, there are people who believe we are already in the beginning stages. So when some one comes in with I'm more scared now then I ever have been, yeah I want them to get a little more specific about what they're afraid of. Cause it could people people on trains headed to camps, or it could be the answer she gave about medical **** etc. I do think there's a drastic difference there and even if it's insensitive it needs to be pointed out. I think there is a tendency for progressives to always err on the side of the more extreme talking point whenever talking about oppression or discrimination. Because the more extremely you present things, the more "serious" you are taking them. But I think there is definitely a danger in throwing words like genocide loosely. It can unironically lead to civil conflict.

01-03-2023, 10:33 PM	#23599 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Even a broken clock is right twice a day.