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Old 04-10-2017, 01:46 PM   #5551 (permalink)
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Your default state should be respectful, to everyone, until someone abuses your respect or trust.

To do otherwise makes you the dick you're trying not to be.
Respect goes both ways though. The airline should have respected the fact that this guy chose to fly their ****ty airline (don't they always say "We know you have a choice"?) instead of calling the cops. ****s.
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Old 04-10-2017, 01:48 PM   #5552 (permalink)
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Your default state should be respectful, to everyone, until someone abuses your respect or trust.

To do otherwise makes you the dick you're trying not to be.
I agree but the uniform doesn't earn the respect. If you wear a uniform and you're a dick, you don't deserve respect. Thats the point I'm making.
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Old 04-10-2017, 01:50 PM   #5553 (permalink)
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Yeah except you aren't a dr. that has the important job of getting to his patients on time by the morning.
Well, sure. My point is that there's moments in life where you end up at a fork in the road - often times not of your own doing. You have two choices.

As soon as the airline called in security it was time for the doctor to comply and live to fight another day with rightful cause. By choosing to continue to be indignant he made things worse and will probably end up with charges filed against him - in the modern era you don't **** with airlines or airline personal.

Was he wronged? Of course. Did he end up making matters much worse because of choosing the wrong way to respond? 100%.

Choose your battles wisely.
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Old 04-10-2017, 02:01 PM   #5554 (permalink)
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I agree but the uniform doesn't earn the respect.
Yes. Yes it does. Until the person wearing the uniform does something that's illegal or dickish they've earned your respect. You go into an encounter with the police assuming the best - not the worst. 99 times out of 100 you'll walk away free and clear if you've done nothing wrong.

And ya, life isn't fair 100% of the time, every time. Just go into a situation with the law assuming it is. Not with a premeditated chip on your shoulder.
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Old 04-10-2017, 02:17 PM   #5555 (permalink)
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Yes. Yes it does. Until the person wearing the uniform does something that's illegal or dickish they've earned your respect. You go into an encounter with the police assuming the best - not the worst. 99 times out of 100 you'll walk away free and clear if you've done nothing wrong.

And ya, life isn't fair 100% of the time, every time. Just go into a situation with the law assuming it is. Not with a premeditated chip on your shoulder.
I completely disagree. I'm not saying I'll judge somebody right away, but I'm not obligated to respect anybody if i dont feel they deserve it. Of course I wont be a dick either. Respect is a silent trait that you can personally hold someone accountable for. I know you're wanting to play the age card and you'll tell me to respect my elders, but you have to earn it. Uniform doesn't mean anything. I wear a uniform at work but I don't automatically expect everyone to treat me with respect. Especially if I am being a dick to said person.
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Old 04-10-2017, 02:32 PM   #5556 (permalink)
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I know you're wanting to play the age card and you'll tell me to respect my elders.
No, but I will tell you to grow the **** up. Do you respect firemen? They choose a job that entails them putting themselves at risk in order to possibly save your skinny butt. Sames goes for the police.

Are you seriously trying to equate the ****ing uniform that you wear as being equal to cops and firemen?
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Old 04-10-2017, 02:34 PM   #5557 (permalink)
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No, but I will tell you to grow the **** up. Do you respect firemen? They choose a job that entails them putting themselves at risk in order to possibly save your skinny butt. Sames goes for the police.

Are you seriously trying to equate the ****ing uniform that you wear as being equal to cops and firemen?
No. You're just missing the disconnection between uniforms and respect. Believe me, I won't go out of my way to disrespect a fireman or cop, but I shouldn't be forced to respect them for, as you put, choosing a job that puts them at risk. Sorry, but if they weren't forced to be a cop or a fireman, and they weren't forced to risk their lives, I shouldn't feel forced to respect them. I do respect them, obviously. I'm not that soulless. But I'm going to respect them based on what I see out of their character.
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No. You're just missing the disconnection between uniforms and respect. Believe me, I won't go out of my way to disrespect a fireman or cop, but I shouldn't be forced to respect them for, as you put, choosing a job that puts them at risk. Sorry, but if they weren't forced to be a cop or a fireman, and they weren't forced to risk their lives, I shouldn't feel forced to respect them. I do respect them, obviously. I'm not that soulless. But I'm going to respect them based on what I see out of their character.
Take a minute and read your response very slowly.

Not only are you ranting, and using the word force way too many times - you are not forced to respect, you are obliged - but you're trying to move the goalposts.

I'm not missing anything. You were the one that tossed the uniform you wear into a serious discussion about people who choose a field of work that could result in death as a result of trying to help the populace. Shame on you.

14% of those who died as a result of 9/11 were police and firemen rushing into the situation while everyone else was running away.

There's approx. 18,000 police departments in the US employing upwards of 800,000 cops. Don't let the negative headlines - which is all we ever get to see - screw with your overall attitude.
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Old 04-10-2017, 03:30 PM   #5559 (permalink)
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It's my understanding the states are not supposed to set immigration policy. So wouldn't using state resources to enforce federal law be a similar breach of federalism?

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Well, states are in a default mode where they can assist ICE by asking immigration status and reporting who they find to them regardless of if they do anything criminal or not. Sanctuary cities are just kind of a in name only type of thing. In NYS, cities are decided to name themselves sanctuary cities just so that local police don't harass illegal immigrants but if State Troopers and ICE can still come in and harass people and ask them their status.

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This is a terrible move. While the intentions behind this is great in that it keeps people safe who wouldn't go to the police out of fear of deportation, it swings too far in the wrong direction by wasting tax money on imprisoning violent felons instead of deporting them.
Violent felons get handed over to the ICE. There is an exception to that bill that if the person has committed a crime then they get passed over to federal.
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Old 04-10-2017, 04:35 PM   #5560 (permalink)
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I firmly believe you posted this just to be a little sh*t. If that's what you'd do then have fun being pushed around like a chump. You wouldn't though. You'd be pissed. You're just trying hard to be against the majority. The outrage for this is perfectly acceptable and I'm one who thinks that this "outrage" culture is killing the country. This however, is acceptable reaction to what actually happened.
Bull****

You're on a plane. They tell you to get off you get off. I would not argue and if the police came I sure as **** wouldn't ignore them. Resisting arrest is serious a charge. That guy could be looking at real time.

And for people saying they won't fly United. Bull**** you won't. All you do is book the cheapest flight wherever you're going. Airlines know that so they really don't give a ****.
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