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Old 08-25-2017, 10:07 PM   #6551 (permalink)
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^ Excellent summary of the 2016 election choices.

Even if you have no love for HC, it was clear at the time that she wouldn't have let loose on America the kind of ****storm that Trump was promising. Voting for a lesser evil may leave you with an unsatisfactory feeling of compromise, but it can still effectively block a greater evil and oftentimes in politics that alone is a significant achievement. Unfortunately in 2016 not enough voters saw it that way.
It was split between people thinking she had it in the bag and not coming out to vote, people that didn't like her and was still on Bernie's dick and these apathetic holier than thou people that makes up the rest. Bat, Frown and a few others fit into that last one.
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:41 PM   #6552 (permalink)
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I voted for Clinton and would defend my vote

However I don't see how Clinton wasn't going to face the exact same brick wall Obama did, the only person they hate more arguably is Hillary!

And it'd be the same deal where the neoliberal starts with the centrist position ala the ACA, that never strikes at the real problem of the private sector having its boot firmly on our necks

So the point about Bernie being subject to obstruction is pretty moot, you're either principled enough to support the Democratic socialist or just sign up for the GOP because you're doing more damage as a Democrat
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:03 AM   #6553 (permalink)
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It was split between people thinking she had it in the bag and not coming out to vote, people that didn't like her and was still on Bernie's dick and these apathetic holier than thou people that makes up the rest. Bat, Frown and a few others fit into that last one.
Yes, I think a lot of Democratic voters were too complaisant, and in the run up to the election, as far as I remember, several MB posters seemed to take the attitude that all politicians suck, so why bother.

Actually, there are plenty of reasons to bother, the main one being pointed out by the guy who said, "The only thing needed for evil to triumph is for a few good men to do nothing."

And getting back to the news of the day, I see that Trump has pardoned Joe Arpeio. This is a very sinister development because of the message the President is sending; "You can abuse the power of your office and break the law, but if you're on my side I'll give you impunity." I'm sure that point will not be lost on plenty of other bullying racist officials.

Impunity like that for over-zealous officials is one of the reasons that Mexico is unable to shake off the corruption that runs through its politics, and Trump has just taken the US one step closer to a repressive sham third-world democracy. I hope the US doesn't go any furthur down that road, because once blatant top-down corruption is in the system, rather like pee in a swimming pool, it's difficult to take it out again.

Perhaps some non-voters will learn a lesson in time for the next election; that even if all politicians are corrupt, some will damage your society, government and the environment much more than others - and by voting you can block the most toxic candidates.
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:04 AM   #6554 (permalink)
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You have to look hard to find a more disgusting capitalist than Hillary but America managed to do it. The fact that I hate Trump much more doesn't change the fact that I still would love kick Hillary's cackling teeth in.

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Old 08-26-2017, 12:19 AM   #6555 (permalink)
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How the **** would that gridlock be a different scenario for Hillary?
Glossed over this the first time but it needs to be addressed. This a great example of how jaded and naive you are when it comes to politics and how the system works in the real world.

Clinton has been part of the political machine in one way or another for 28 years (don't bother with your typically jaded "and that's the problem" cliched comeback).

8 years as first lady to a Governor.
8 years as first lady to a President and the first to have an office in the west wing. She was totally hands on the whole time.
What do you think Bill and Hillary's pillow talk was all about those 16 years?

Then 8 years as a US senator working alongside many of the members who are still serving - on both sides of the aisle.

Then 4 years as Secretary of State - traveling the world on behalf of Obama trying to right GWBs wrongs and rubbing elbows with the globe's top people of power.

28 years experience of knowing how things work. How things get gridlocked, and what compromises need to be made, and whose backs need to be scratched in order to get the big picture policy changes through.

At his very core Bernie is a good guy. His ideolgies align with mine in almost every way. But in order to get some spotlight time he had to go out on a limb and toss out some ideas that fired up his base, but wouldn't have stood a chance of getting through the House and Senate.

Fox Henhouse. It's really that simple.

So assuming that Clinton would have run into the same gridlock that Sanders would have, and Trump currently is, is completely naive.

Clinton Hate 101 Mr. Frown.

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Lolol if you think that the alt right stole a significant number of people from the tea party, you understand neither.
This a great example of how jaded and naive you are.
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The Democratic Party is an absolute shambles from top to bottom.
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It's all in shambles, don't deny it.
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