Physical discipline against children .. okay or not? (house, quote, 1982)

Schredds · 03-18-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Alright, my personal experience against Shredds experiences then.

I didn't get spanked and I was a good kid.

My nephews are the best kids I know and they're not being corporally punished either.

You are making it seem here in this post that because I got spanked I was a bad kid and because you didnt get spanked you were a good kid, I got spanked because nothing else would deter me from disobeying my parents, and in the long run it straightened me out, if no other punishment works to get your children to do the right thing and as they are told by their loving parents, are you tellin me that they should give up on punishment because a spanking is wrong????? If so, thats the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.

Guybrush · 03-18-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Schredds

if no other punishment works to get your children to do the right thing and as they are told by their loving parents, are you tellin me that they should give up on punishment because a spanking is wrong????? If so, thats the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.

Am I saying that? I don't know. Is it in there?

It was a reply to lucifer_sam merely because the way I understood it, he felt everything I wrote was against personal experience so far. If you've read my other posts, you'll see that I don't care that much for personal experiences posted in this thread. I posted it out of annoyance as much as anything else. As such, that post wasn't actually meant to be a convincing argument. For that, just read the post I posted before that one.

edit :

I kinda saw your post coming, though. If you post hundreds of serious lines of valid, good points and arguments and then add 5 lines of something less serious, there's always someone who's gonna accomplish ignoring almost everything you wrote except those 5 lines.

Schredds · 03-18-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Am I saying that? I don't know. Is it in there?

It was a reply to lucifer_sam merely because the way I understood it, he felt everything I wrote was against personal experience so far. If you've read my other posts, you'll see that I don't care that much for personal experiences posted in this thread. I posted it out of annoyance as much as anything else. As such, that post wasn't actually meant to be a convincing argument. For that, just read the post I posted before that one.

Thats just what it seemed like to me, but either way I say we just agree to disagree like you said earlier, I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe, plain and simple, Im done on this topic anyways.

joyboyo53 · 03-18-2009, 06:23 PM

physical punishment is an effective form of discipline. is it acceptable? that is not really an easy question to answer. as you can see here, plenty of people seem to think it did them quite a bit of good... although thats not good enough for you. the problem is, physical discipline is not always executed properly. as with all other things in this world, the system gets abused. no i dont mean ABUSE, i mean abused. some people dont exercise the form of discipline properly and there are negative consequences. thats parenting though, not everything is up to 'society'. it is essentially the same as saying 'feeding your kids fast food is unacceptable'. just because some parents feed their kids too much fast food and they become diabetic or obese doesnt mean that feeding fast food to children is unacceptable.... it means they exercised poor judgement as a parent. should we outlaw drinking too? im sure you can find empirical evidence that people who drink less abuse less, therefore we shouldnt do that either right? how about sex outside of marriage? think about all the babies that arent raised with a father figure becasue he left? should society as a whole have to become homogenized because some parents dont know how to raise children properly? i think not. when society supercedes there is no individualism. id much rather live in a world full of crazies than a world of empty souls.

as mentioned plenty of times before, abuse is very wrong... it is the point where society has a right to step in, but leave it at that. i mean should we not allow kids to be with their parents if the parents arnt intelligent? empirical evidence suggest they will become dolts as well... let LIBERTY ring.

Schredds · 03-18-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jgd85

physical punishment is an effective form of discipline. is it acceptable? that is not really an easy question to answer. as you can see here, plenty of people seem to think it did them quite a bit of good... although thats not good enough for you. the problem is, physical discipline is not always executed properly. as with all other things in this world, the system gets abused. no i dont mean ABUSE, i mean abused. some people dont exercise the form of discipline properly and there are negative consequences. thats parenting though, not everything is up to 'society'. it is essentially the same as saying 'feeding your kids fast food is unacceptable'. just because some parents feed their kids too much fast food and they become diabetic or obese doesnt mean that feeding fast food to children is unacceptable.... it means they exercised poor judgement as a parent. should we outlaw drinking too? im sure you can find empirical evidence that people who drink less abuse less, therefore we shouldnt do that either right? how about sex outside of marriage? think about all the babies that arent raised with a father figure becasue he left? empirically speaking it would be better if we just outlawed it right?... should society as a whole have to become homogenized because some parents dont know how to raise children properly? i think not. when society supercedes there is no individualism. id much rather live in a world full of crazies than a world of empty souls.

right on bro, I couldnt agree more.

Guybrush · 03-18-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jgd85

physical punishment is an effective form of discipline. is it acceptable? that is not really an easy question to answer. as you can see here, plenty of people seem to think it did them quite a bit of good... although thats not good enough for you. the problem is, physical discipline is not always executed properly. as with all other things in this world, the system gets abused. no i dont mean ABUSE, i mean abused. some people dont exercise the form of discipline properly and there are negative consequences. thats parenting though, not everything is up to 'society'. it is essentially the same as saying 'feeding your kids fast food is unacceptable'. just because some parents feed their kids too much fast food and they become diabetic or obese doesnt mean that feeding fast food to children is unacceptable.... it means they exercised poor judgement as a parent. should we outlaw drinking too? im sure you can find empirical evidence that people who drink less abuse less, therefore we shouldnt do that either right? how about sex outside of marriage? think about all the babies that arent raised with a father figure becasue he left? empirically speaking it would be better if we just outlawed it right?... should society as a whole have to become homogenized because some parents dont know how to raise children properly? i think not. when society supercedes there is no individualism. id much rather live in a world full of crazies than a world of empty souls.

I think you're taking an idea and extrapolating it a bit much here. Of course, if the goal of society is to try and maximize everyone's happiness, then - if smothering people with prohibitions make them unhappy, then clearly such smothering is not within the goal of society .. sorta stands to reason, really.

Besides, you're not striving to be very comparable in your examples. While I like to indulge in some alcohol now and then, it's not like I also like to indulge in a bit of kid-slapping and feel society gets too homogenized if I can't beat kids.

Don't make it be about something it's not.

joyboyo53 · 03-18-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

I think you're taking an idea and extrapolating it a bit much here. Of course, if the goal of society is to try and maximize everyone's happiness, then - if smothering people with prohibitions make them unhappy, then clearly such smothering is not within the goal of society .. sorta stands to reason, really.

Besides, you're not striving to be very comparable in your examples. While I like to indulge in some alcohol now and then, it's not like I also like to indulge in a bit of kid-slapping and feel society gets too homogenized if I can't beat kids.

Don't make it be about something it's not.

make it about something its not? you just said some kid slapping\beating... i thought we were talking about discipline. i think both my comments regarding the fast food and intelligence are VERY comparable.

edit - btw, personal evidence doesnt ammount to much so please leave those comments out... by your request

Bane of your existence · 03-18-2009, 07:16 PM

Should be a personal decision.
That's as far as the argument goes with me.

Guybrush · 03-19-2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jgd85

make it about something its not? you just said some kid slapping\beating... i thought we were talking about discipline. i think both my comments regarding the fast food and intelligence are VERY comparable.

edit - btw, personal evidence doesnt ammount to much so please leave those comments out... by your request

The personal experience was not a personal experience. It was an illustration of a point that alcohol consume and kidslapping may not be completely comparable. We don't slap kids for recreation.

When I wrote "don't make it about something it's not", I meant please don't try and turn this into a discussion about turning society homogenous and sterile. It's about kidslapping, not robbing people of their freedoms to enjoy life.

~~qixx~~ · 03-19-2009, 12:41 PM

i think it depends on how and why you are doing it. if you beat your kids is a lot different than a spanking now and again.

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03-18-2009, 06:23 PM	#94 (permalink)
joyboyo53 down the rabbit hole Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: the mountain called monkey Posts: 764	physical punishment is an effective form of discipline. is it acceptable? that is not really an easy question to answer. as you can see here, plenty of people seem to think it did them quite a bit of good... although thats not good enough for you. the problem is, physical discipline is not always executed properly. as with all other things in this world, the system gets abused. no i dont mean ABUSE, i mean abused. some people dont exercise the form of discipline properly and there are negative consequences. thats parenting though, not everything is up to 'society'. it is essentially the same as saying 'feeding your kids fast food is unacceptable'. just because some parents feed their kids too much fast food and they become diabetic or obese doesnt mean that feeding fast food to children is unacceptable.... it means they exercised poor judgement as a parent. should we outlaw drinking too? im sure you can find empirical evidence that people who drink less abuse less, therefore we shouldnt do that either right? how about sex outside of marriage? think about all the babies that arent raised with a father figure becasue he left? should society as a whole have to become homogenized because some parents dont know how to raise children properly? i think not. when society supercedes there is no individualism. id much rather live in a world full of crazies than a world of empty souls. as mentioned plenty of times before, abuse is very wrong... it is the point where society has a right to step in, but leave it at that. i mean should we not allow kids to be with their parents if the parents arnt intelligent? empirical evidence suggest they will become dolts as well... let LIBERTY ring. Last edited by joyboyo53; 03-18-2009 at 06:39 PM.

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03-18-2009, 07:16 PM	#98 (permalink)
Bane of your existence Such That Join Date: May 2007 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 1,197	Should be a personal decision. That's as far as the argument goes with me.

03-19-2009, 12:41 PM	#100 (permalink)
~~qixx~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 20	i think it depends on how and why you are doing it. if you beat your kids is a lot different than a spanking now and again.