Physical discipline against children .. okay or not? (albums, show, quote)

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 03-25-2009, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Is there a lot of opposition against the ban in New Zealand or are people happy about it? I guess there's less smacking in NZ than there is in the USA (appearantly more than 90% US kids recieve corporal punishment in a study from 1996). Do you think brats are snottier in NZ because of the lack of corporal punishment?

A majority of the country are against it, people petitioned and gained a huge amount of signatures which you would think would make a difference however it was still passed.

Anti-smacking bill becomes law - National - NZ Herald News

It would not be known whether kids are "snottier" after only 2 years, try the next generation. Even then you can't be sure people are not still smacking their children. People can only be reported if smacking has been witnessed so apart from keeping a low profile in public nothing may have really changed.

The original point of the bill was to lower the rates of domestic violence against children, however I don't believe this will solve the problem or even reduce it, especially with the credit crunch the world is facing right now. People are losing jobs like it's gone out of fashion here and that's only going to increase stress levels (and prehaps drinking levels).

joyboyo53 · 03-25-2009, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Is there a lot of opposition against the ban in New Zealand or are people happy about it? I guess there's less smacking in NZ than there is in the USA (appearantly more than 90% US kids recieve corporal punishment in a study from 1996). Do you think brats are snottier in NZ because of the lack of corporal punishment?

ok thats the 3rd time you have quoted that study; you previously called it an article, and refered to the year 1991 not 1996. why not change the thread title to 'most scientifically rigourous study in the history of the universe confirms that 90% of americans beat their kids silly and enjoy it, circa 1990s'. you might get your point across better.

Yukon Cornelius · 03-25-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FireInCairo

This. Perfectly expressed.

Sounds like either you have a bad dad or your just a horrible kid whose parents are fed up with your b-s.

Guybrush · 03-25-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jgd85

ok thats the 3rd time you have quoted that study; you previously called it an article, and refered to the year 1991 not 1996. why not change the thread title to 'most scientifically rigourous study in the history of the universe confirms that 90% of americans beat their kids silly and enjoy it, circa 1990s'. you might get your point across better.

The numbers are important because they show how accepted the practice it. The reason I may have posted different years is because of two reasons. Several studies have given those numbers, so such figures have been published several times. Second, several studies can refer to the same numbers. I've found such results mentioned both in articles from 91, 96 and other years.

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The 1975 and 1985 National Family Violence Surveys revealed that over 90% of American parents use corporal punishment as just defined. This is consistent with a large number of other studies (Straus, 1991) and with the belief that corporal punishment is used by parents with toddlers or young children.

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If you read that, you'll see that those numbers (>90%) have been discovered by studies done in 1975, 1985 and appearantly many others, referencing to an article from 1991.

Here's another one :

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Abstract We present data on corporal punishment (CP) by a nationally representative sample of 991 American parents interviewed in 1995. Six types of CP were examined: slaps on the hand or leg, spanking on the buttocks, pinching, shaking, hitting on the buttocks with a belt or paddle, and slapping in the face. The overall prevalence rate (the percentage of parents using any of these types of CP during the previous year) was 35% for infants and reached a peak of 94% at ages 3 and 4. Despite rapid decline after age 5, just over half of American parents hit children at age 12, a third at age 14, and 13% at age 17. Analysis of chronicity found that parents who hit teenage children did so an average of about six times during the year. Severity, as measured by hitting the child with a belt or paddle, was greatest for children age 5–12 (28% of such children). CP was more prevalent among African American and low socioeconomic status parents, in the South, for boys, and by mothers. The pervasiveness of CP reported in this article, and the harmful side effects of CP shown by recent longitudinal research, indicates a need for psychology and sociology textbooks to reverse the current tendency to almost ignore CP and instead treat it as a major aspect of the socialization experience of American children; and for developmental psychologists to be cognizant of the likelihood that parents are using CP far more often than even advocates of CP recommend, and to inform parents about the risks involved.

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These are objective studies, not some mocking campaign. If you don't like the numbers, take it up with your fellow americans.

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And if you wanna have a look at the sources, feel free to backtrack and look them up. I'm good at posting links.

Kamikazi Kat · 03-29-2009, 01:57 PM

I honetly never really thought about corporal punishment until seeing this thread. After reading the posts here, I got interested and read some articles on corporal punishment and its almost disgusting on how accepted the practice is in America. Its a real eye opener to how messed up this country really is when I'm just figuring out that almost half of the states here allow corporal punishment in schools, and how we are one of the only industrialized countries that has no laws against it. Of course I knew that its still legal for corporal punishment at home, but it angers me on how accepted it is among Americans and how small of a minority my family is because we never use physical punishment.

boo boo · 04-01-2009, 04:32 AM

It should be a last resort.

Shouting at them works, as long as you do it in an abrupt way that scares the sh*t out of them, if you do it too much they get used to it. Don't shout the whole sentence. Do it like this.

"Hey, what did I tell you? Stop doing that RIGHT F*CKING NOW!"

As a kid that worked on me more than anything, I have been spanked very rarely. And while I may not be a grand achiever in life, I'm not a serial killer either.

But I think the most effective way is banning them from doing a certain thing they like for a specific amount of time, weither it be TV, video games, outside activity or whatever.

Now when all else fails, and the little f*cker has it comin', then maybe a can of whoop ass is just what the doctor ordered. But my mom whoops my little brother all the time, and I don't think it helps much because he's the most out of control kid in the history of ever.

Nation · 04-01-2009, 10:02 AM

Since kids thrive on attention, negative or positive, it's best to only give them positive when they deserve it, and none when they don't.

That being said, I'm not opposed to a whack on the bottom or a hand tap or something, as long as it's not actually harming them too much..
Like shock collars with dogs.
They don't necessarily harm the animal too much, just a little jolt to remember not to go in that direction.

pourmeanother · 04-01-2009, 10:02 AM

I work with kids. Hitting just messes them up. Teaches them that it's acceptable to hit other kids. Very annoying. Kinda makes me want to hit them, but I digress...

~~coryallen2~~ · 04-08-2009, 06:34 AM

I think it is acceptable to spank a kid on his but or slap him in the mouth...but not to beat him in the face with a extension cord or anything liek that. but you knwo there are soem bad ass kids out there that need to be slapped aroudn so i picked acceptable

boo boo · 04-08-2009, 07:11 AM

That's right and if they give ya any lip, beat them with a sack of Florida oranges, it won't leave a bruise and it'll show 'em who's boss.

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03-29-2009, 01:57 PM	#115 (permalink)
Kamikazi Kat Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 329	I honetly never really thought about corporal punishment until seeing this thread. After reading the posts here, I got interested and read some articles on corporal punishment and its almost disgusting on how accepted the practice is in America. Its a real eye opener to how messed up this country really is when I'm just figuring out that almost half of the states here allow corporal punishment in schools, and how we are one of the only industrialized countries that has no laws against it. Of course I knew that its still legal for corporal punishment at home, but it angers me on how accepted it is among Americans and how small of a minority my family is because we never use physical punishment.

04-08-2009, 06:34 AM	#119 (permalink)
~~coryallen2~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: lorain,ohio Posts: 909	I think it is acceptable to spank a kid on his but or slap him in the mouth...but not to beat him in the face with a extension cord or anything liek that. but you knwo there are soem bad ass kids out there that need to be slapped aroudn so i picked acceptable