Physical discipline against children .. okay or not? (albums, show, quote)

Yukon Cornelius · 03-22-2009, 01:19 PM

I have kids and I will spank them if they have done something wrong. I was raised that way and I think that its O.K.. I'm not talking about beating them silly just enough to where its not worth doing whatever it was they were doing again.

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

I chose unacceptable, but to be honest, it's kinda vague what you mean by "physical punishment."

If by a light spanking, then I'd find it acceptable, just as it isn't overused. I was spanked, and while I didn't like it, it has shaped me into the man I am today. I can understand why some parents would be reluctant to do it, but seriously, I've seen alot of really unbelievably spoiled children mouthing off to their parents and knocking **** over in the store I work in. Not saying they should spank them there and now, but if it is a sample of how they behave at home, I'd say that warrants a spanking.

Now, if by "physical punishment" you mean using the threat of a beating as a deterent, then I find it unacceptable. If you beat your kids for every wrong thing they do, all you're doing is teaching them that violence is the only solution to every problem in the world. Even so much as using a belt I'd find repulsive; you don't need a weapon to raise your kids.

Now, I know I'm not a parent (trust me, have gotten no pussy, unfortunately), but it doesn't take being a parent to know how impressionable children can be.

Sometimes humiliation is needed as well. You cant let your kids think that just because you have gone into a store means they can act up.

Also just to spit this out there if you don't have kids STFU. Your opinion is worthless, you have no idea.

sleepy jack · 03-22-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

I have kids and I will spank them if they have done something wrong. I was raised that way and I think that its O.K.. I'm not talking about beating them silly just enough to where its not worth doing whatever it was they were doing again.

You're right; spanking is acceptable. After all look how well you turned out.

Yukon Cornelius · 03-22-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

You're right; spanking is acceptable. After all look how well you turned out.

You sir are a freak show. You act as though there is something wrong with me yet, 17958 posts later you say i have a problem? I spank my kids yea so what. Your weird.

punkrawker07 · 03-23-2009, 01:17 PM

i think everyone is in agreement on the fine line between a spanking and abuse. what it comes down to is consistent parenting. i don't think that you have to spank your kid nor does it have to come down to making it so that you can't spank your kid. i spanked my kid and don't have a problem with people spanking their kids as a form of dicipline. whether you use spankings or time outs or whatever as long as the rules are laid out and they are followed your children will follow them.

someone who has an issue with spanking their children may use other methods of discipline that work just as well but it comes back to being consistent. children are always pushing the limits and if you let them get away with some stuff, well they are going to push the limits on all stuff. you give them certain rules and structure and make it clear what the consequences are to not following them they will listen.

i don't think people should be criticized for spanking their children. i also don't think that spanking is the solution to everything. consistent parenting is the main thing. and as far as people that cross the line into child abuse and people that use spanking as the only form of dicipline i don't think a law banning spanking would solve that anyway. they are already disobeying the law in regards to child abuse so making a new one isn't going to change anything other than get the parents using responsible dicipline in trouble.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 03-25-2009, 03:52 AM

It's banned in my country, and I'm glad. I think a light hit on the bumb is acceptable but setting ground rules from day one and sticking to them is the best way to avoid any physical touching. It is difficult as kids develop in different stages as they get older, so getting through to them what's wrong and right would be one hell of a task. I certainly won't be going down this road for a looong time.

Guybrush · 03-25-2009, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

It's banned in my country, and I'm glad. I think a light hit on the bumb is acceptable but setting ground rules from day one and sticking to them is the best way to avoid any physical touching. It is difficult as kids develop in different stages as they get older, so getting through to them what's wrong and right would be one hell of a task. I certainly won't be going down this road for a looong time.

Is there a lot of opposition against the ban in New Zealand or are people happy about it? I guess there's less smacking in NZ than there is in the USA (appearantly more than 90% US kids recieve corporal punishment in a study from 1996). Do you think brats are snottier in NZ because of the lack of corporal punishment?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 03-25-2009, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Is there a lot of opposition against the ban in New Zealand or are people happy about it? I guess there's less smacking in NZ than there is in the USA (appearantly more than 90% US kids recieve corporal punishment in a study from 1996). Do you think brats are snottier in NZ because of the lack of corporal punishment?

A majority of the country are against it, people petitioned and gained a huge amount of signatures which you would think would make a difference however it was still passed.

Anti-smacking bill becomes law - National - NZ Herald News

It would not be known whether kids are "snottier" after only 2 years, try the next generation. Even then you can't be sure people are not still smacking their children. People can only be reported if smacking has been witnessed so apart from keeping a low profile in public nothing may have really changed.

The original point of the bill was to lower the rates of domestic violence against children, however I don't believe this will solve the problem or even reduce it, especially with the credit crunch the world is facing right now. People are losing jobs like it's gone out of fashion here and that's only going to increase stress levels (and prehaps drinking levels).

joyboyo53 · 03-25-2009, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Is there a lot of opposition against the ban in New Zealand or are people happy about it? I guess there's less smacking in NZ than there is in the USA (appearantly more than 90% US kids recieve corporal punishment in a study from 1996). Do you think brats are snottier in NZ because of the lack of corporal punishment?

ok thats the 3rd time you have quoted that study; you previously called it an article, and refered to the year 1991 not 1996. why not change the thread title to 'most scientifically rigourous study in the history of the universe confirms that 90% of americans beat their kids silly and enjoy it, circa 1990s'. you might get your point across better.

Guybrush · 03-25-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jgd85

ok thats the 3rd time you have quoted that study; you previously called it an article, and refered to the year 1991 not 1996. why not change the thread title to 'most scientifically rigourous study in the history of the universe confirms that 90% of americans beat their kids silly and enjoy it, circa 1990s'. you might get your point across better.

The numbers are important because they show how accepted the practice it. The reason I may have posted different years is because of two reasons. Several studies have given those numbers, so such figures have been published several times. Second, several studies can refer to the same numbers. I've found such results mentioned both in articles from 91, 96 and other years.

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The 1975 and 1985 National Family Violence Surveys revealed that over 90% of American parents use corporal punishment as just defined. This is consistent with a large number of other studies (Straus, 1991) and with the belief that corporal punishment is used by parents with toddlers or young children.

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If you read that, you'll see that those numbers (>90%) have been discovered by studies done in 1975, 1985 and appearantly many others, referencing to an article from 1991.

Here's another one :

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Abstract We present data on corporal punishment (CP) by a nationally representative sample of 991 American parents interviewed in 1995. Six types of CP were examined: slaps on the hand or leg, spanking on the buttocks, pinching, shaking, hitting on the buttocks with a belt or paddle, and slapping in the face. The overall prevalence rate (the percentage of parents using any of these types of CP during the previous year) was 35% for infants and reached a peak of 94% at ages 3 and 4. Despite rapid decline after age 5, just over half of American parents hit children at age 12, a third at age 14, and 13% at age 17. Analysis of chronicity found that parents who hit teenage children did so an average of about six times during the year. Severity, as measured by hitting the child with a belt or paddle, was greatest for children age 5–12 (28% of such children). CP was more prevalent among African American and low socioeconomic status parents, in the South, for boys, and by mothers. The pervasiveness of CP reported in this article, and the harmful side effects of CP shown by recent longitudinal research, indicates a need for psychology and sociology textbooks to reverse the current tendency to almost ignore CP and instead treat it as a major aspect of the socialization experience of American children; and for developmental psychologists to be cognizant of the likelihood that parents are using CP far more often than even advocates of CP recommend, and to inform parents about the risks involved.

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These are objective studies, not some mocking campaign. If you don't like the numbers, take it up with your fellow americans.

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And if you wanna have a look at the sources, feel free to backtrack and look them up. I'm good at posting links.

boo boo · 04-01-2009, 04:32 AM

It should be a last resort.

Shouting at them works, as long as you do it in an abrupt way that scares the sh*t out of them, if you do it too much they get used to it. Don't shout the whole sentence. Do it like this.

"Hey, what did I tell you? Stop doing that RIGHT F*CKING NOW!"

As a kid that worked on me more than anything, I have been spanked very rarely. And while I may not be a grand achiever in life, I'm not a serial killer either.

But I think the most effective way is banning them from doing a certain thing they like for a specific amount of time, weither it be TV, video games, outside activity or whatever.

Now when all else fails, and the little f*cker has it comin', then maybe a can of whoop ass is just what the doctor ordered. But my mom whoops my little brother all the time, and I don't think it helps much because he's the most out of control kid in the history of ever.

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03-25-2009, 03:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,775	It's banned in my country, and I'm glad. I think a light hit on the bumb is acceptable but setting ground rules from day one and sticking to them is the best way to avoid any physical touching. It is difficult as kids develop in different stages as they get older, so getting through to them what's wrong and right would be one hell of a task. I certainly won't be going down this road for a looong time. __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

03-23-2009, 01:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
punkrawker07 Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 94	i think everyone is in agreement on the fine line between a spanking and abuse. what it comes down to is consistent parenting. i don't think that you have to spank your kid nor does it have to come down to making it so that you can't spank your kid. i spanked my kid and don't have a problem with people spanking their kids as a form of dicipline. whether you use spankings or time outs or whatever as long as the rules are laid out and they are followed your children will follow them. someone who has an issue with spanking their children may use other methods of discipline that work just as well but it comes back to being consistent. children are always pushing the limits and if you let them get away with some stuff, well they are going to push the limits on all stuff. you give them certain rules and structure and make it clear what the consequences are to not following them they will listen. i don't think people should be criticized for spanking their children. i also don't think that spanking is the solution to everything. consistent parenting is the main thing. and as far as people that cross the line into child abuse and people that use spanking as the only form of dicipline i don't think a law banning spanking would solve that anyway. they are already disobeying the law in regards to child abuse so making a new one isn't going to change anything other than get the parents using responsible dicipline in trouble.