Physical discipline against children .. okay or not? (track, quote, Bell)

Whatsitoosit · 04-10-2009, 11:06 AM

it's cool... go have fun at the beach. I really don't ever need to know... do what you feel is right as a parent to your child.

sleepy jack · 04-10-2009, 12:55 PM

Who decides what's child abuse and what's physical discipline? I'm going to repost what I said earlier since all the proponents of spanking children seem to be ignoring the psychological aspects of this argument and are just saying "well I turned out okay!"

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I'm curious to know why "light spanking" is seeming like the preferred method to deal with an uppity child. Taking the above example for instance (seeing as it's one we've all seen) don't you think the spoiled child's behavior isn't something spontaneous but rooted in a rather taught attitude (e.g. there was no real strict argument of any sort against that behavior in the household prior to that therefore the child think it's acceptable behavior?) Basically what I'm getting at here is no child is naturally spoiled and selfish, that is something they learn in the household so the best way to deal with it is to not tolerate that sort of behavior early on and raise them with a sense of humility and respect; which isn't something you can teach with spanking.

I'd also like to know which actions deserve this punishment. Yukon for instance said he spanks his children every time they tell a lie which doesn't seem to be the best way to deal with the problem. For one if your kid is a pathological liar then that's a mental problem and constantly abusing them isn't going to help. If your kid just lies innocently (e.g. I didn't eat the last cookie!) is it really so serious that it can't be talked out? It seems to me the logical route would be to explain to them why they did it, why it was obvious and then tell them they're not going to be in trouble for an accident but lying is something they will be in trouble for.

midnight rain · 04-10-2009, 01:19 PM

Maddox's opinion on the matter:

"Remember: never take **** from your kids. You make payments on the house, utilities, their clothes, school, and their food. You own them. If they don't like it, they can move out. If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don't grow up to be idiots."

djchameleon · 04-10-2009, 01:43 PM

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I'm curious to know why "light spanking" is seeming like the preferred method to deal with an uppity child. Taking the above example for instance (seeing as it's one we've all seen) don't you think the spoiled child's behavior isn't something spontaneous but rooted in a rather taught attitude (e.g. there was no real strict argument of any sort against that behavior in the household prior to that therefore the child think it's acceptable behavior?) Basically what I'm getting at here is no child is naturally spoiled and selfish, that is something they learn in the household so the best way to deal with it is to not tolerate that sort of behavior early on and raise them with a sense of humility and respect; which isn't something you can teach with spanking.

It would seem like that would work in theory but it doesn't exactly work....as the child grows and learns to think for themself....even if you are trying to raise them with humility and respect they will test the waters and see how far they can rebel against what you are trying to teach them.

sleepy jack · 04-10-2009, 01:44 PM

There's a difference between a natural sense of rebelling against your parents and whining that you didn't get your favorite toy. One is nature, one is nurture and the nurture problem can be remedied by not spoiling them at an early age or letting them think they can get whatever they want.

djchameleon · 04-10-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

There's a difference between a natural sense of rebelling against your parents and whining that you didn't get your favorite toy. One is nature, one is nurture and the nurture problem can be remedied by not spoiling them at an early age or letting them think they can get whatever they want.

I agree.

sleepy jack · 04-10-2009, 01:50 PM

You just said that in theory that doesn't work...

djchameleon · 04-10-2009, 01:55 PM

you said two slightly different things though...what you said earlier in the quote is different from what you just said

sleepy jack · 04-10-2009, 02:01 PM

Not really. All I did was throw in some psychology terms and get more specific on the issue of certain issues that some would consider disobedient. It's normal for a child to hide things from his parents and to grow apart from them (particularly during teenager years) but the extent and harmfulness of those things is determined more so but how they were raised then anything else.

djchameleon · 04-10-2009, 02:07 PM

I guess my point is how do you raise them without punishing/discipline?....if you just talk to them they will most likely push against your authority and your words will be meaningless

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04-10-2009, 11:06 AM	#151 (permalink)
Whatsitoosit Bringer of Carrots Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	it's cool... go have fun at the beach. I really don't ever need to know... do what you feel is right as a parent to your child. __________________ "It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."

04-10-2009, 01:19 PM	#153 (permalink)
midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	Maddox's opinion on the matter: "Remember: never take **** from your kids. You make payments on the house, utilities, their clothes, school, and their food. You own them. If they don't like it, they can move out. If you love your kids, love them enough to beat them so that they don't grow up to be idiots."

04-10-2009, 01:55 PM	#158 (permalink)
djchameleon A.B.N. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY baby Posts: 11,455	you said two slightly different things though...what you said earlier in the quote is different from what you just said

04-10-2009, 02:07 PM	#160 (permalink)
djchameleon A.B.N. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY baby Posts: 11,455	I guess my point is how do you raise them without punishing/discipline?....if you just talk to them they will most likely push against your authority and your words will be meaningless