Top Ten Arguments for the existence of God easily deflated.

boo boo · 07-21-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

satisfaction =/= happiness.

I know the f*cking difference I'm telling you happiness doesn't last. Happiness is but a temporary emotion reflected by your environment but the environment always changes.

Either way I'm sure as hell ain't gonna get it from isolating myself and obsessing over an ancient book of questionable validity.

mr dave · 07-21-2010, 11:29 AM

relax i was actually agreeing/reinforcing your point.

cardboard adolescent · 07-21-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I know the f*cking difference I'm telling you happiness doesn't last. Happiness is but a temporary emotion reflected by your environment but the environment always changes.

Either way I'm sure as hell ain't gonna get it from isolating myself and obsessing over an ancient book of questionable validity.

i know this doesn't prove anything, but you do realize a lot of religions take the fleeting nature of happiness as a starting point, right? the whole "point" of buddhism is to escape samsara, the endless dialectic of pain and pleasure, which the buddha ultimately said stems for the desire to continue to exist...

~~Cressidagater~~ · 07-21-2010, 11:45 AM

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as for your exercise with the picture, it's already how i perceive myself as an individual within the whole of the human species. like i said earlier i don't think we're that off from each other. really though, how could i have a belief that i only exist as a reflection within other people's existences if i considered them to be simple and expendable?

then again, what if we ARE simple and expendable creature? then what? is your ego willing to let that one slide into the side of 'truth'?

Simple and expendable, to whom though? I am not simple and expendable to myself. Whether I am to others, is none of my concern. Same as how you said, your belief matters to you and no-one else. My existance matters first and foremost to myself and no-one else. I'm here, my mind, thinking, seeing, analysing, searching for truth and peace and goodness. Things that not only satisfy me but fulfill me. Whether that is simple and expendable to anyone is none of my concern really. Simple maybe, certainly not expendable, I would debate that. Purely for the reason that I am not in anyone's expense other than my own.

With my ego you're right man I'd never accept that as some sort of Universal truth - if my place in some sort of universal design is to be the whipping boy or some sort of dog, then that's not a universal design I agree with. That's flawed, I'd declare it Hell and declare it my enemy. Why should I exist as something inferior, when the only thing I am certain of is myself?

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I believe that happiness is always temporary no matter what and looking for happiness that will last permanently is just a waste of time.

But what's the alternative might I ask sir? Resigning yourself to a state of compromise, accepting a lesser fate? Myself, I'd rather waste my time looking for eternal bliss than accept that there is none.

boo boo · 07-21-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

i know this doesn't prove anything, but you do realize a lot of religions take the fleeting nature of happiness as a starting point, right? the whole "point" of buddhism is to escape samsara, the endless dialectic of pain and pleasure, which the buddha ultimately said stems for the desire to continue to exist...

If people want to persue that lifestyle fine, but I don't see the appeal of it.

I'm content with my life. I'll gladly take the fleeting moments of happiness that goes with the fleeting moments of pain. Life without conflict is boring and meaningless to me.

cardboard adolescent · 07-21-2010, 01:37 PM

that bothers me a good deal, if you can only find meaning in life through conflict. at least you're being honest about it though.

mr dave · 07-22-2010, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

i know this doesn't prove anything, but you do realize a lot of religions take the fleeting nature of happiness as a starting point, right? the whole "point" of buddhism is to escape samsara, the endless dialectic of pain and pleasure, which the buddha ultimately said stems for the desire to continue to exist...

so like the Corgan said, to be the beginning of the end of the beginning or the end of the beginning of the end? or perhaps to be everything and nothing, the Zero if you will. (i'm hoping you get a chuckle from my lighthearted comments instead of thinking i'm being derisive).

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Originally Posted by Cressidagater

With my ego you're right man I'd never accept that as some sort of Universal truth - if my place in some sort of universal design is to be the whipping boy or some sort of dog, then that's not a universal design I agree with. That's flawed, I'd declare it Hell and declare it my enemy. Why should I exist as something inferior, when the only thing I am certain of is myself?

i completely and thoroughly agree with this. i tossed out the simple and expendable bit as food for thought. it's not so much that i think we're expendable as a whole, more that i don't think the individual is as special or un-expendable as most like to convince themselves of. the world won't end when my body dies, only my personal physical reflection of it.

cardboard adolescent · 07-22-2010, 10:32 AM

emptiness is loneliness and loneliness is cleanliness and cleanliness is godliness and god is empty, just like MEEEE

RVCA · 07-23-2010, 12:22 PM

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In a time when we are just beginning to comprehend the possibility that fundamental forces like gravity may not even originate from our dimension and that we're merely shadows on some freakin' cosmic wall, am I the only one who thinks that trying to put anything of divine nature into a human frame of reference is silly?

People are moronic because they try to approach these issues under the impression that they know jack shit about existence. Limited by our paltry senses and merely capable of manipulating existing materials or coming to conclusions based on observable phenomena, we still haven't even started to scrape the surface of the nature of reality, much less what lies beyond it.

Most of you, CA included, are trying way too hard to force a human logical thought process onto something that goes far beyond the scope of mankind. When it comes to fundamental questions that are not provable or disprovable, we are no different from ants trying to digest a textbook on string theory.

My advice? Step back from your personal beliefs, the ever-changing scientific landscape, atheistic dogma, etc. sometimes and realize that too many people in too many places are approaching the subject of God/supernatural anything and such in an arrogant state of mind that brings plenty of self-satisfaction..but very little else.

Don't be like them. Think, ponder, and chuckle at the foolishness of your fellow humans who think their beliefs, or lack thereof, somehow give them an access card to the secrets of the universe.

That is all.

I was sitting in the dining halls at my University one day, and the two guys next to me were vigorously arguing atheism vs. theism. The argument reached the point where they were discussing things that they simply had no right to be discussing, and I wanted to reach over and slap both of them.

theist: "just think about how peaceful and harmonious the universe is! How could a big-bang create such harmony? Peace doesn't come from chaos"

I just don't understand the point of arguing over things like the origins of the universe. How can we even pretend to know anything about it? And I guess that ties into my fundamental problem with Religion and God. They take completely unsubstantiated claims about things beyond our possible understanding and use them as a "weapon" of sorts, whereas Science acknowledges that NOTHING can ever be 100% proven certain and seeks to only further our understanding instead of coerce people with it. In the words of Bill Maher, "religion is selling certainty. I'm selling doubt."

So as long as you identify with an organized religion, I will always judge you for it. It seems so stupid to blindly submit yourself to an organized faith, but maybe that's because I was raised in an irreligious family. However, if you're a Ben Franklin in that you believe in a power greater than man, but admit that "lighthouses are more useful than churches", you have my respect. But I won't be caught dead admitting that there's ANYTHING redeeming in the Christian or Islamic faiths.

Boo Boo, you called Sam Harris a thunderc*nt (or something), and while he comes off as a smug asswad, he is one of my greatest idols. If you guys haven't read Letter to a Christian Nation, I'd definitely recommend doing so.

Well anyway, that was my unorganized, incoherent rant.

mr dave · 07-24-2010, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

emptiness is loneliness and loneliness is cleanliness and cleanliness is godliness and god is empty, just like MEEEE

never really noticed the metaphysical aspects of the Pumpkins before now. gonna have to re-listen to a bunch of their tunes again with a fresh perspective hahaha

07-21-2010, 01:37 PM	#56 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	that bothers me a good deal, if you can only find meaning in life through conflict. at least you're being honest about it though.

07-22-2010, 10:32 AM	#58 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	emptiness is loneliness and loneliness is cleanliness and cleanliness is godliness and god is empty, just like MEEEE