The problems with homosexuality

hip hop bunny hop · 09-20-2011, 01:25 PM

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As for Hip Hop Bunny, Marriage had nothing to do with it. However, heterosexual marriage increases the birthrate. So by your own logic, Heterosexual marriage is a determent to society.

For you to established it's a detriment to society, you'd first have to explain how society is harmed by people having children.

Why you bring up the issue of overpopulation in a debate on homosexuality is beyond me.

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So whats the problem with homosexuality if nothing is problem free?

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)1 represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States, and MSM with a history of injection drug use (MSM-IDU) accounted for an additional 4% of new infections. At the end of 2006, more than half (53%) of all people living with HIV in the United States were MSM or MSM-IDU. Since the beginning of the US epidemic, MSM have consistently represented the largest percentage of persons diagnosed with AIDS and persons with an AIDS diagnosis who have died. Center for Disease Control link

TheBig3, as a person who's worried about overpopulation, do you have any thoughts on this?

Mykonos · 09-20-2011, 02:33 PM

The HIV argument for homosexuality is actually wrong. The main reason for the initially high figures was because when the virus initially turned up it was assumed that it couldn't be transmitted by sodomy, thus gay men (and women I guess, although I'm not sure if it can even be transmitted woman to woman) didn't use protection against it. Now that they know for sure, figures are roughly average considering the higher amount of heterosexual to homosexual cases. There's no biological reason for sodomy to be more effective at spreading it.

TheBig3 · 09-20-2011, 03:00 PM

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Why you bring up the issue of overpopulation in a debate on homosexuality is beyond me.

Because if we're talking about overpopulation being a determent, the homosexual community wouldn't really contribute to that...thats why.

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TheBig3, as a person who's worried about overpopulation, do you have any thoughts on this?

Well I'd like to see where you got this information from. My understanding is that the virus exchange rate in the homosexual community is extremely low given that female-to-female transfers are highly unlikely.

Even within the male community, AIDS during the 1980's was seen as such a plague that the community is highly aware of the risk and takes extreme precaution. Meanwhile, the heterosexual community, thinking its a gay-man's disease has not defended itself nearly as thoroughly.

I know people who hold the view that so long as you're sleeping with the intellectual set - and their white - then so long as you're on the pill you're fine. Ignorance abounds, but its not good science.

hip hop bunny hop · 09-20-2011, 03:18 PM

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Because if we're talking about overpopulation being a determent, the homosexual community wouldn't really contribute to that...thats why.

So... how does this relate to discussing government policy relating to marriage or homosexuality in general?

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Well I'd like to see where you got this information from.

I provided a link. It's the underlined text that say "Center for Disease Control link".

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Now that they know for sure, figures are roughly average considering the higher amount of heterosexual to homosexual cases.

What do you mean the "figures are roughly average"? The CDC states that homo/bisexual males make up roughly 2% of the population and in 2006 represented half of all new HIV/AIDs infections. That's wildly disproportionate.

hip hop bunny hop · 09-20-2011, 03:39 PM

Jack Pat, you disappoint.

Paedantic Basterd · 09-20-2011, 03:41 PM

Maybe he decided he doesn't want to be involved in this ****.

TockTockTock · 09-20-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Maybe he decided he doesn't want to be involved in this ****.

This.

And... I felt my comment was a bit derogatory, and that is not who I am.

Sorry that my being a nice person disappointed you.

Buzzov*en · 09-20-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Depends where you're coming from.

If you're looking to populate an area, then theres the issue of it not bearing children.

Don't go for the easy targets though. I personally have no problem with homosexuality. I'm just telling Ska Lagos that he's attempting to shut down intellectual discussion with his unwavering assertions. People should be allowed to have their opinions and express them in a civilized forum.

The minute you pounce on someone because you want to show everyone you're an open-minded freedom fighter you begin to lose the argument. If you have strength in your conviction that what you're doing is right, then don't worry what other people think. Win on merit, not through subjugation through fear that someone might be labeled a bigot or homophone.

Gay women can still bear children though. Also there is adoption for gay male couples. Again it was brought up that straight women can not always bear children. That kind of shuts down that so called problem now doesn't it?

Buzzov*en · 09-20-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)1 represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States, and MSM with a history of injection drug use (MSM-IDU) accounted for an additional 4% of new infections. At the end of 2006, more than half (53%) of all people living with HIV in the United States were MSM or MSM-IDU. Since the beginning of the US epidemic, MSM have consistently represented the largest percentage of persons diagnosed with AIDS and persons with an AIDS diagnosis who have died. Center for Disease Control link

TheBig3, as a person who's worried about overpopulation, do you have any thoughts on this?

Straight couples can trasnmit HIV as well especially if they have anal sex unprotected =) does not prove that homosexuality is a problem. Proves that unprotected sex is the problem and you just prove to be a bigot.

TheBig3 · 09-20-2011, 10:15 PM

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Gay women can still bear children though. Also there is adoption for gay male couples. Again it was brought up that straight women can not always bear children. That kind of shuts down that so called problem now doesn't it?

Jesus, with that smug sense of superiority you must be the belle of the ball.

It doesn't eliminate the problem. Because they would have no inherent interest in sexual relations yielding children. Which you'll note, since you're such a brilliant mother****er, doesn't preclude them from having children. But that isn't what I said, which I'm sure you noticed since you're incredibly literate.

And since your comprehension simply must be top notch, I shouldn't have to repeat myself. But for the lesser intelligence here on musicbanter, I'll reiterate: To suggest anything is without problem is ****ing stupid. It is an absolute. And if you believe in absolutes, you've either missed out on plenty of life experiences, or you just aren't as intelligent as Buzzoven.

Edit: HHB, I haven't forgotten you. I'll be back next week, I'm just insanely busy this week and I'd like to commit some actual time to the information you've presented which, heretofore, seems to back you up.

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Mykonos AWhatup Ganache? Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 381	The HIV argument for homosexuality is actually wrong. The main reason for the initially high figures was because when the virus initially turned up it was assumed that it couldn't be transmitted by sodomy, thus gay men (and women I guess, although I'm not sure if it can even be transmitted woman to woman) didn't use protection against it. Now that they know for sure, figures are roughly average considering the higher amount of heterosexual to homosexual cases. There's no biological reason for sodomy to be more effective at spreading it. __________________ 'Not that Becktionary, the Rhyming Becktionary!'- Bender Bending Rodriguez

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hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	Jack Pat, you disappoint. __________________ Have mercy on the poor.

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Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	Maybe he decided he doesn't want to be involved in this ****.