Church Plans on Burning Qur'an on September 11th

duga · 09-10-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaqarbal

I knew it: pearls before swine. OK, keep in your tabloid culture and forget me.

What does anything he said have to do with tabloid culture?

And are you just playing devil's advocate with all this? I gotta know.

right-track · 09-10-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaqarbal

I knew it: pearls before swine. OK, keep in your tabloid culture and forget me.

OK, just got back from picking my son up from a para-military organisation where they have fun and play games, while simultaneously and surreptitiously being religiously indoctrinated by an Anglican church, otherwise known as The Boys Brigade.

Tabloid culture? You're the one who linked me that less than reputable source in way of attempting to back your stance with fact.

What annoyed me more was your insinuation.
Had St.George flags been lawfully banned (which they aren't) and assuming the Muslim community were offended by our flag (which they're not) you implied I was being hypocritical. Which I'm not.

I'll type this slowly Zarqabull. Read it, then move away from the computer and go and put the kettle on and sit down with a brew and chew over these words for a while;

I have nothing against freedom of speech, or the right to exercise your cultural rights.
I just happen to think that in this day and age, burning the Koran is a pretty dumb idea. No?

Dr.Seussicide · 09-10-2010, 01:51 PM

Is Zaqarbal of the belief that burning the Qur'an is a trivial matter? And that the freedom of speech mantra outweighs the blatant disrespect associated with the burning of a religious scripture? I basically have no religion, but, I am Presbyterian by birth, and I've learned the value of respect for other people's religious beliefs even though I find it difficult to agree with their preachings, practices and traditions basically most of the times. But the unnecessary repercussions that could result from partaking in such a narrow minded, simplistic train of thought idea is severe enough to make even the most academically ignorant person realize that it just simply doesn't make sense. What's the point to prove in doing something such as that? There is none.

duga · 09-10-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Seussicide

Is Zaqarbal of the belief that burning the Qur'an is a trivial matter? And that the freedom of speech mantra outweighs the blatant disrespect associated with the burning of a religious scripture? I basically have no religion, but, I am Presbyterian by birth, and I've learned the value of respect for other people's religious beliefs even though I find it difficult to agree with their preachings, practices and traditions basically most of the times. But the unnecessary repercussions that could result from partaking in such a narrow minded, simplistic train of thought idea is severe enough to make even the most academically ignorant person realize that it just simply doesn't make sense. What's the point to prove in doing something such as that? There is none.

This is the biggest problem I have with atheists and agnostics. They become all gung ho about how they "realized" god doesn't exist or religion is bogus. Then they are willing to just go off on it all the time to people that really don't deserve it. Honestly, those people are behaving just as bad as an in your face zealot. My ex girlfriend was like that and we always got into arguments about it. I was raised a Catholic so I feel I have a good perspective when it comes to these matters. Be critical but respectful. I don't want people to get on to me for not believing in god just like I'm sure people don't want me to get onto them for believing.

Zaqarbal · 09-10-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

What does anything he said have to do with tabloid culture?

What about this?:

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Originally Posted by right-track

That has to be the biggest pile of bullshit I've read on these boards.

Do you think that is a polite way to reply someone?

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Originally Posted by duga

And are you just playing devil's advocate with all this? I gotta know.

No, I have my own opinion. They call it freedom of thought. And for your information, I posted the basic idea here, when I said that I coincided with Odyshape's opinion.

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Originally Posted by right-track

OK, just got back from picking my son up from a para-military organisation where they have fun and play games, while simultaneously and surreptitiously being religiously indoctrinated by an Anglican church, otherwise known as The Boys Brigade.

Tabloid culture? You're the one who linked me that less than reputable source in way of attempting to back your stance with fact.

What annoyed me more was your insinuation.
Had St.George flags been lawfully banned (which they aren't) and assuming the Muslim community were offended by our flag (which they're not) you implied I was being hypocritical. Which I'm not.

I'll type this slowly Zarqabull. Read it, then move away from the computer and go and put the kettle on and sit down with a brew and chew over these words for a while;

I have nothing against freedom of speech, or the right to exercise your cultural rights.
I just happen to think that in this day and age, burning the Koran is a pretty dumb idea. No?

I told you to forget me. I have nothing to discuss wiith you. Don't address me again.

Dr.Seussicide · 09-10-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaqarbal

What about this?:

Do you think that is a polite way to reply someone?

No, I have my own opinion. They call it freedom of thought. And for your information, I posted the basic idea here, when I said that I coincided with Odyshape's opinion.

I told you to forget me. I have nothing to discuss wiith you. Don't address me again.

Wow, my keyboard is wet from your tears. I need a dry cloth now.

right-track · 09-10-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaqarbal

I told you to forget me. I have nothing to discuss wiith you. Don't address me again.

You're telling me?
I don't think so!

If you didn't like my response to your link, then you should have at least tried to have got your facts right.

Comments like "pearls before swine" didn't exactly ingratiate yourself with me either.
If you can't take it son, don't dish it out.

Zaqarbal · 09-10-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Seussicide

(..)I've learned the value of respect for other people's religious beliefs (..)

I repeat: What I do is to separate the two things: people <--------> beliefs.

I only can respect people. Because ideas are ABSTRACTIONS. Ideas don't "feel" anything.

Suppose you are a member of the Flat Earth Society. I respect you as a person. I defend your right to express everything you want. But I shit on your stupid superstition.

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Morover:

Suppose we are in 1940. I would burn dozens of copies of Main Kampf in a public square, as expression of contempt. And I wouldn't pay any attention to the useful idiots crying: "hey, don't provoke them; remember we're living hard times, they are dangerous, they can kill us!!". Fuck the Islamonazis, fuck the Cristofascists and fuck the "chamberlains"!!!

duga · 09-10-2010, 03:02 PM

One: You can't judge every situation the same. Burning Mein Kampf and burning the Quran require completely different considerations.

Two: Ideas are abstractions, but people are intrinsically tied to those ideas. If you respect a person, by default you must respect the majority of ideas he comes up with.

Zaqarbal · 09-10-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Seussicide

Wow, my keyboard is wet from your tears. I need a dry cloth now.

Don't play the fool, boy. I don't give a damn about your teenager jokes.

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duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	One: You can't judge every situation the same. Burning Mein Kampf and burning the Quran require completely different considerations. Two: Ideas are abstractions, but people are intrinsically tied to those ideas. If you respect a person, by default you must respect the majority of ideas he comes up with. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...