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View Poll Results: Do american police generally seem too violent or oppressive to you?
Yes 60 65.22%
No 23 25.00%
Undecided / No opinion / I'm a vegetable 9 9.78%
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:49 PM   #71 (permalink)
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I can honestly tell you I have never had that experience in my life. Not only that but I've lived in several different parts of the US in my life and I've never seen someone who wasn't a cop carrying a gun out in public. As I said earlier in this thread it's important to keep in mind that things vary a lot from place to place here. What may be completely acceptable and legal in very pro-gun states like Louisiana or Texas may not be acceptable or legal in other parts of the country.
Likewise, furthermore I currently live in Texas. I think the perception of gun freedom in the US is a little warped in other countries. There really aren't that many people carrying firearms on them at any given moment. A lot more people own weapons, but they're often never used beyond recreational (hunting, target shooting) purposes.

Although, as Janszoon said it definitely depends on the area. But in the age of instantly accessible worldwide media, the confusion probably comes from reports coming out of high crime areas like parts of Detroit, where violence is rampant. These are but small areas of a very large country, where on average gun violence isn't as frequent as perceived.
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Old 06-08-2011, 03:18 PM   #72 (permalink)
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i think the best solution for these kinds of issues is to enforce a sort of orientation or recreation training or something like that to all police officers. i mean, we know their training involves violence and all but they should have training on caring and nurturing and providing a loving atmosphere in every community.

a police serves to protect the citizens but with their mentality that everyone is an enemy, they can never protect nobody with that. everything should start in the attitude. if they have a loving and fun attitude towards other people, ain't that be nice?
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Old 06-08-2011, 03:20 PM   #73 (permalink)
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i think the best solution for these kinds of issues is to enforce a sort of orientation or recreation training or something like that to all police officers. i mean, we know their training involves violence and all but they should have training on caring and nurturing and providing a loving atmosphere in every community.

a police serves to protect the citizens but with their mentality that everyone is an enemy, they can never protect nobody with that. everything should start in the attitude. if they have a loving and fun attitude towards other people, ain't that be nice?
They do go through training for everything you can think of. Take a look at this.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...swYCzA&cad=rja

Police have one of the hardest jobs in the world. Damned if you do damned if you do. I'm a fan of law enforcement and respect them greatly for what they do.
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:27 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Police have one of the hardest jobs in the world. Damned if you do damned if you do. I'm a fan of law enforcement and respect them greatly for what they do.
Same and I usually don't have any issues especially when I tell them that I was in the military or I flash my military ID.
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Old 06-08-2011, 11:29 PM   #75 (permalink)
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Not that I'm coming down on either side, but protection from home invasion was not the primary reason why we have a Second Amendment. We have a Second Amendment so that if we are invaded by a foreign power or we ever have to fight a war against the government, local militias can be formed immediately. Local militias would be pretty much completely useless against a professional army, so it's debatable whether this amendment actually has any use that requires it to be an amendment these days. The fact that it is though, means gun nuts feel that it's a "god given right" and aren't even willing to discuss the issue. We should at least be able to have a real public debate on the subject.
My opinion of personal firearms has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. It has everything to do with my basic human right to protect myself and my family. As long I have the option to use a gun to achieve this and have the option to do so in a way that is proportional to the threat, I'm going to take it. As for this point in time, it doesn't make any sense not to give myself a fighting chance...
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Old 06-08-2011, 11:34 PM   #76 (permalink)
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I guess you don't read stateside news or anything.
We have a pretty high rate of home-invasions, burglaries, robberies, and some (but not all) of them are armed.
Yes, in the states, there is a fairly high likelihood that you and your family's home may be broken into. Even if it may be small odds, I don't think I'm going to gamble my family's life on it, should the worst happen, just because I don't think guns are useful. That doesn't make any sense to me.

As for whether they're doing anything positive when everyone has one.... not everyone has one. Felons can't obtain them legally at all, and the penalty for them having one regardless is pretty stiff. But the fact of the matter is they still do obtain them. I don't know about other people, but I don't think I'd like it much if guns were outlawed and I was unarmed, and all the felons who didn't give a **** had guns. Sorry, I'm not into that scenario. Another scenario I'm not into is being an unarmed citizen in a nation with an armed military. Self protection is a basic human right, and I don't think you have to look very far to see governments harming their people militarily. Ahemtripolicough....
Posts like this make me question my stance. Guns are the only issue I seem to be changing my mind on every few months. Guess it depends on your living situation. I've never felt in danger of someone robbing my house, I've never been scared of a felon because that's not the culture I have lived in. Good point though, felons ARE always going to find a way to get guns on the black market so I don't think gun laws are really preventing most crime - the criminals will have guns anyways
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Posts like this make me question my stance. Guns are the only issue I seem to be changing my mind on every few months. Guess it depends on your living situation. I've never felt in danger of someone robbing my house, I've never been scared of a felon because that's not the culture I have lived in. Good point though, felons ARE always going to find a way to get guns on the black market so I don't think gun laws are really preventing most crime - the criminals will have guns anyways
There are a lot of good reasons why guns should be outlawed. But there is one better reason why they shouldn't... and that's the fact that even if there is a remote possibility that one psycho can get his hands on a gun (or shit, any weapon) and bust into a house and slay an entire family, human being's lives and the ability to protect them shouldn't be marginalized in the face of some "greater statistic" that reports less deaths where guns are illegal. This is a question of individual basic human rights, not a numbers game motivated by sacrificing those rights to something that will never, ever be guaranteed to keep you safe.
I'm not saying guns are a right. I'm saying the ability to protect yourself and your family by any means necessary, in proportion to the threat, is a right. It isn't given by a government. Nor should it be taken by one.

If there were no such things as guns, and all we used were Samurai swords, then this post would be about Samurai swords.


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I don't live in a crime-ridden area or anything, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be prepared. As long as I'm a responsible, trained gun owner and not a criminal or a jackass, I see absolutely no reason why I shouldn't have a gun. Even if it ends up just collecting dust in a drawer. (which mine doesn't, as I take it to the range to shoot it because it's freaking fun!)
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Posts like this make me question my stance. Guns are the only issue I seem to be changing my mind on every few months. Guess it depends on your living situation. I've never felt in danger of someone robbing my house, I've never been scared of a felon because that's not the culture I have lived in. Good point though, felons ARE always going to find a way to get guns on the black market so I don't think gun laws are really preventing most crime - the criminals will have guns anyways
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^ Amazing info.

In my opinion it's better to make guns illegal because if you have a criminal, they might go buy a gun on the black market, but if you have a civilian and you let them have a gun, you might be creating a criminal/accident/misjudgment.

And I think a lot of the issue comes from indoctrination in the first place. As a Canadian I really have no problem with the fact that I'm not allowed to have a gun. I don't feel like my rights are being violated I just feel like it's a law that makes sense (like you aren't allowed to have fireworks without a permit, you can't start a fire in your backyard when the houses are really close together, you can't cary around a machete).

Best to let the stats above do the talking though.

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Gun Control

^ Amazing info.

In my opinion it's better to make guns illegal because if you have a criminal, they might go buy a gun, but if you have a civilian and you let them have a gun, you might be creating a criminal/accident/misjudgment. Best to let the stats above do the talking though.
I will never let stats dictate my ability to survive a shooting.
Go somewhere else with that shit.
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^ Amazing info.

In my opinion it's better to make guns illegal because if you have a criminal, they might go buy a gun, but if you have a civilian and you let them have a gun, you might be creating a criminal/accident/misjudgment. Best to let the stats above do the talking though.
I don't think criminals can buy guns though
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